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If you want to believe that everything is where it appears to be then go ahead : ) I can't change your mind and I really have very little interest in changing your mind.

First of all, it is most dishonest of you to suggest that I want to believe everything is where it appears. You know that I make no such claim.

We have been discussing in specific terms the apparent lag of the sun from its real position due to the time of flight of light and the rotational speed of the earth - to the tune of 2.1 degrees. I have clearly stated that:

I have no doubt whatsoever that the sun is apparently 20 arcseconds displaced due to the transverse velocity (sideways) of the earth as it orbits the sun. But 20 arcseconds is 0.000277777 degrees. You're talking about 2.1 degrees, which is seven thousand five hundred times bigger!

The fact is that you made an absurd and untrue claim for which you can present NO evidence, and against which I found many evidences. Furthermore, you don't have enough honesty to consider thought experiments which would demonstrate your idea as invalid (such as where really is Saturn? is it really almost 20 degrees displaced? What about Jupiter? Is it really 60 degrees off? What about a star 87AU(12 light hours) away? would it really be 180 degrees lagged? You know full well that if you applied the same logic to some stars other then the sun, your logic would be unquestionably wrong.)

Thus it is completely dishonest of you to skirt around your own idea then accuse me of believing something absurd. I found support for my understanding of the issue. You didn't find support for yours. Mine works fine with stars other then the sun. Yours is obviously wrong with regards to stars other then the sun.

My only conclusion is that due to your atheism you believe that there is no such thing as wrong and lying is no big deal. But this helps me understand why atheistic evolutionists or scientists will make far out claims and argue for them as if they are true - when they full well know that they aren't true. This is why evolutionary science is in such dishonest shambles - everybody in the field wants to believe it is true, and they will say just about anything, true or not, to try to convince people. Then when they come up short on actual evidence, they just hurl unfounded insults like "Oh you believe that nothing is where it is."

Do you think I'm not being fair or honest? And this is not rhetorical, I would appreciate an answer. It has been my goal to be true and honest and learn the truth. How would I have been more fair or more honest when a person makes a claim to how physics work with the sun and the earth, but then refuses to apply it to other stars? And who also refuses to provide any supporting evidence? And when there is ample evidence against his claim? Furthermore, when the person making the claim supports it by accusing me of believing absurd things which I never claimed (and do not) believe? (Especially when I already clearly stated that I did not believe them?)

How can I honestly and fairly come to any conclusion other then I have, which is that you just have too few scruples and are trying to deceive people?

Is it really that much to ask -- that people presenting themselves as honest scientifically learned people would be at least honest? You have not been honest. There is no way for you to not know that you're statement was just wrong, and yet you refuse to face the facts.

Thanks,

-Jesse