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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
In post 405 you go a little further and imply that matter is actually made of nothing:

Hmmm. Why don't you tell me what a quantum field or space-time is composed of? Nothing, right? I know it is a tough concept to try and explain, but I am brave : )

Robert Laughlin wrote a book, A Different Universe (I believe) that explains this concept in considerably more detail than I can here.

Since I hate appeals to authority, like my reference above, I will try and explain what I mean by waves of nothing. At the quantum level (and beyond) everything can be modeled with a wave equation, but a wave needs a medium. If you look out at waves in the ocean just what exactly do you see? You probably don't see water molecules going in circles, but that is what is happening. But I digress, waves are not the medium. Originally scientists claimed that there was an Ether that transmitted everything, but Ether was disproved by Mickelson-Morley.

So along comes Einstein who really put the dagger into the Ether theory, but low and behold Einstein brought Space-Time into play for his Special Relativity theory. What is Spacetime? It is a mathematical construct or in other words, nothing. That is what waves travel through, nothing. Hence "Waves of nothing", the waves are real though.

411 posted on 06/28/2008 9:57:18 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
I will try and explain what I mean by waves of nothing. At the quantum level (and beyond) everything can be modeled with a wave equation, but a wave needs a medium... Originally scientists claimed that there was an Ether that transmitted everything, but Ether was disproved by Mickelson-Morley. So along comes Einstein who really put the dagger into the Ether theory, but low and behold Einstein brought Space-Time into play for his Special Relativity theory. What is Spacetime? It is a mathematical construct or in other words, nothing. That is what waves travel through, nothing. Hence "Waves of nothing", the waves are real though.

A more plausible assessment is that the conclusion "everything is waves of nothing" is a reductio ad absurdum of whatever process of reasoning this word-salad represents.

Here are some attempts at simplified versions, which may or may not be equivalent to the word salad...

1. Light is waves of the ether.
2. The ether does not exist.
therefore,
Light is waves of nothing.
The error is in (1).
1. Light is waves of space-time.
2. Space-time is nothing.
therefore,
Light is waves of nothing.
(1) is erroneous. Who knows what (2) means.
1. Light propagates through space.
therefore,
2. Light is a wave and space is the medium.
3. The medium does not exist,
therefore,
Light is waves of nothing.
And in this case the error is (2) and also in the deduction from (1) to (2).
444 posted on 06/30/2008 4:28:13 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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