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To: MarkBsnr
Ah, ignoring verse once again. I quoted extensive Paul (and not misunderstood Paul) in order to show you what we believe, and what a true Bible Believer should believe. You have largely ignored it and posted duelling verse. You see how you have ignored the mathematical operator “and”? We do not cherry pick - we include all verse.

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

Phil 2:12 means that the Christian needs to keep going in the process of salvation with ‘fear and trembling’ - a common Old Testament expression indicating awe and seriousness in the service of God (cf Exodus 15:16; Judith 2:28; Psalm 2:11; Isaiah 19:16).

And who is disputing that service ought to serious?

And don't throw in non-scriptural books like Judith as a proof-text for anything! ***Judgement Seat in which the Christian will be judged for his works on earth *** And what do you think that the ramifications will be for that Judgement?

At that Judgement for the saved, rewards or loss of rewards (1Cor.3)

[ ***Salvation is an event, not a process. Sanctification is a process, but one grows because one IS saved, not TO BE saved or to STAY saved***]

Methinks that you have things backwards and have reversed cause and effect.

No, and that is what makes my Gospel correct and yours a false one.

You are working for your salvation, which you cannot earn or merit.

[ ***If you are placing your confidence in anything other than the shed Blood of Christ for your eternal salvation, you have nullified grace and are not saved, since you are saved by grace and not works, else grace is no longer grace. ***]

Without the Grace of God, we cannot be saved.

That is what I said, but you nullify the grace of God when you add works to it.

Now to him that worketh is the reward of grace, but of debt, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness (Rom.4:4-5)

And that is the Paul that you are claiming I am misunderstanding.

Works cancel out grace, and it is of faith that it might be of grace (Rom.4:16a)

Now, there is no further reason for you and I to continue to post to one another.

You are trusting the Roman Catholic Church, I am trusting the word of God.

We will see in eternity which one was gave us the true Gospel.

6,369 posted on 06/16/2008 11:52:18 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Christus)
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To: fortheDeclaration

***I have no idea what you are talking about here. ***

I know that and appreciate that you can admit it. You claim that you are saved once and for all. I showed you that Paul actually says that you are saved, you are being saved and you will be saved, but you must work out your salvation. All these conditions must exist. All together. The mathematical operator ‘and’.

***And what do you think that the ramifications will be for that Judgement?

At that Judgement for the saved, rewards or loss of rewards (1Cor.3) ***

What rewards or loss of rewards might they be?

***You are trusting the Roman Catholic Church, I am trusting the word of God.

We will see in eternity which one was gave us the true Gospel.***

You post as if you do not know the word of God; you don’t seem to know Paul or James or...


6,404 posted on 06/17/2008 6:37:57 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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