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To: John Leland 1789

***“Christians are not autonomous.”

Misrepresentation of what I said. I said nothing about the “Christians.” True Christians, regardless of earthly affiliation, or no earthly affiliation at all, are attached to Jesus Christ and sealed by the Spirit of God — ALL an operation of God, not of man, nor of any visible church on the earth.***

You said that you had worked to create three autonomous churches. No church is autonomous - all churches are under the authority of the bishop appointed by God. Do these churches have a bishop?

***When God seals an idividual, that seal lasts forever.***

The seal is a mark of God; the seal of the beast is also a mark. No guarantees; we have the ability to walk away from Christ; we have, with God’s Grace, the ability to walk away from the beast.

***Visible churches on earth come, and they go.***

The One Church stays and watches the others come and go.


6,353 posted on 06/16/2008 9:06:41 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
“No church is autonomous”

Yes, Biblical churches are autonomous from man-made hierarchies and denominations.

” - all churches are under the authority of the bishop appointed by God. Do these churches have a bishop?”

All of these churches have their own bishop (1 Timothy ch. 3), and deacons. And they have other pastors and teachers (Ephesians 4) as well. And these bishops were called and placed there by God, and it is very obvious to the members of those churches that it is so.

“The seal is a mark of God; the seal of the beast is also a mark. No guarantees; we have the ability to walk away from Christ; we have, with God’s Grace, the ability to walk away from the beast.” (MarkBsnr)

As long as we all know what you believe. We understand that that is what the Catholic Church has taught you, but we disagree that it has anything to do with Biblical Truth. There is nothing in 2 Corinthians 1:21, 22; Ephesians 1:13; 4:30 (etc.) that indicates the seal can be broken, and actually, it appears quite to the contrary.

“The One Church stays and watches the others come and go.”

But that one doesn't matter, it is merely a visible earthly organization of political religionists in our view, and since we are partakers of Christ Himself, personally and in reality, once-and-forever, we don't need such a church that might try to wrongly teach us that the seal with which the Holy Ghost hath sealed us can be broken.

And actually, perpetuity (IF someone is looking for something visible all the time) of doctrine and practice since the Apostolic days, can be found in a dozen movements of Christians, all of whom could make the same claim as Rome, but alas, they never went into political kingdom building.

6,355 posted on 06/16/2008 10:16:27 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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