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To: papertyger

Absolutely false. Jesus said, “the Spirit testifies of Me.” There is no going outside of Scripture when God, by His Spirit, inspires the human authors of Scripture to pen His word. It is the revealed word of God, just as Jesus is the incarnate Word. Thus, proving one need (must) not go outside of scripture for direction.

Or do you believe as some that God cannot successfully communicate His word by His Spirit through human authorship? Consider:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


6,314 posted on 06/16/2008 5:24:30 PM PDT by MarDav
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To: MarDav
There is no going outside of Scripture when God, by His Spirit, inspires the human authors of Scripture to pen His word.

Why?

It is the revealed word of God, just as Jesus is the incarnate Word.

You agree with the Catholic Church.

Thus, proving one need (must) not go outside of scripture for direction.

You have proved nothing.

Or do you believe as some that God cannot successfully communicate His word by His Spirit through human authorship?

No no no, the question is: Do you believe as some that God cannot successfully communicate His word by His Spirit through His Church?

6,315 posted on 06/16/2008 5:28:00 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: MarDav
Okay. You may think I'm a bad guy or stupid or something, but I have to say that looking at these verses I see absolutely nothing whatsoever to defend the notion of Sola Scriptura.

In fact I would see the Jer 31:33, Heb 8:10, and Heb 10:16 as saying there will be a time when we won't need Scripture. because the Torah will be written in the hearts of men. That in the new coveneant Sola Scriptura, if it ever was valid, will be superseded by communication directly to the heart.

And 2Pe 1:21 says the old prophecies were not of the will of men but of the Holy Spirit moving men. That doesn't say that writings (the old time prophecy) are the only way the Spirit can or will communicate God's revelation to men. It only says that it's a way.

They're fine texts, but they don't seem to do the job you want them to do.

6,321 posted on 06/16/2008 5:45:49 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: MarDav

Before you engage in a Scripture war, please tell us all how we, today, know that we have the authentic Word of God, in the Bible.

How true is the Bible that you use to the original language?

Has there been anything added or subtracted from the version of the Bible that you use?


6,343 posted on 06/16/2008 7:38:08 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: MarDav
Absolutely false. Jesus said, "the Spirit testifies of Me." There is no going outside of Scripture when God, by His Spirit, inspires the human authors of Scripture to pen His word. It is the revealed word of God, just as Jesus is the incarnate Word. Thus, proving one need (must) not go outside of scripture for direction.

You really do have my sincerest sympathies. You see I understand your position is completely untennable, even if you don't.

Acknowledging the Spirit's inspiration of human authors says absolutely nothing about the content of the revelation, and the fact is there is no revelation in the Scripture authorizing sola scriptura.

Or do you believe as some that God cannot successfully communicate His word by His Spirit through human authorship?

So why is it so preposterous that God can successfully communicate through the human agency of the Church?

You can't have yours without giving me mine.

6,380 posted on 06/17/2008 4:28:08 AM PDT by papertyger (What Would Jesus Do? ... Remember "freak out and turn over tables," is a valid option ;o)
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