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To: Quix; DungeonMaster
Even mens rea requires a substantive act. If i were to make little horns at you and think that that would make you sick, I would still be innocent of assault. (I'd be guilty of being a jerk, but, to judge by Congress, that's a good thing.)

In general, I think an idolatrous disposition or intention will pretty much lead to idolatry, but that kind of hig-falutin' spekkerlation does not clearly or necessarily attach to DM's list.P>And your suggested argument implies a kind of double bind. (Schizophrenigenic anyone?) The Church is to blame because people can take much of what she says and make it an occasion of idolatry, but she gets no credit when they don't. AND if she were to try to exercise more control over people's inner intention then we'd hear cries of "Inquisition" and "mind control" and the rest.

If you start with the presupposition that we are wrong, any facts will do.

It is no small matter to judge the inner disposition of people from a different culture from one's own, and yet Protestants eagerly hurl accusations at Catholics, assuming that if they are doing something unfamiliar their intentions must be corrupt.

Oh, and if someone calls a person a barbarian for a bad reason, that does not, in itself, imply that the person is not indeed a barbarian.

6,079 posted on 06/16/2008 10:44:32 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

What a wonderful mind and great language skills you have.

Actually, I didn’t get per se into inner heart motives and mind stuff.

TO ME

the words/phrases themselves IN SUCH A CONTEXT

are inherently blasphemous.

Honestly, MD, once I detached myself—fairly early on—from my mother’s biases and crazinesses in viewing folks of other faiths . . . I really gave RC’s a pretty clean slate in terms of my perspective on their religiosity.

I’ve seen plenty evidence of RC idolatry overseas.

But the most intense, fierce examples have been observed right here on FR, imho.

And I really do feel as strongly towards any hint of such in Pentecostal circles. It’s just far less frequent, less overt and less intense, imho.


6,083 posted on 06/16/2008 10:54:51 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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