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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Christ did not come to redeem everyone, or else everyone would be redeemed.

Gibberish. He came to redeem everyone who believes in Him.

God's ultimate will is not thwarted by men

Of course not. God's ultimate will is that we have the free will to love Him or reject Him.

...Christ's blood was not shed in vain for those who reject Him...

Of course not.

5,915 posted on 06/15/2008 12:32:14 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski
He came to redeem everyone who believes in Him.

That is exactly right. And faith is a gift from God. Understanding Christ on the cross is a gift from God. New ears and new eyes are gifts from God. A new heart is a gift from God. A renewed mind is a gift from God.

"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." -- Ephesians 2:1-10

It's so important Paul repeats the verse within a few lines -- "by grace are ye saved." Grace, the gift from God to His family.

Does God quicken all dead men?

No, or else all men would be saved. "Ye must be born again."

5,949 posted on 06/15/2008 7:04:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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