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To: Petronski; 1000 silverlings
The verse says what it says. It says some men have been appointed to disbelief, ordained to stumble by their disbelief in Christ.

Calvin's Commentary...

Whereunto also they were appointed, or, to which they had been ordained. This passage may be explained in two ways. It is, indeed, certain that Peter spoke of the Jews; and the common interpretation is, that they were appointed to believe, for the promise of salvation was destined for them. But the other sense is equally suitable, that they had been appointed to unbelief; as Pharaoh is said to have been set up for this end, that he might resist God, and all the reprobate are destined for the same purpose.

We don't know why God elected some and not others (although we do know it is not because they "deserved" or "earned" salvation by their own good works.) We only know for certain that He did elect some and not others because that is what Scripture says. All those whose names are written in the Book of Life will repent of their sins, and be saved by Christ alone. The rest will not want to repent nor believe because they have not been born again by the Holy Spirit in order to know the things of God. Those men will continue to "love the darkness."

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." -- Ephesians 1:4-6


5,799 posted on 06/14/2008 4:15:02 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The verse says what it says.

Yes it does. It does not say what Cauvin claims it does.

We don't know why God elected some and not others...

That puzzle is easy to solve: He did not. God loves us all and wants us all to be saved.

5,803 posted on 06/14/2008 4:17:37 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

More Calvin?

You have presented exactly zero verse which supports predestination to hell. Calvin is wrong, and so are all of his supporters.


5,808 posted on 06/14/2008 4:21:40 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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