Nothing about hell.
Really? Where do you think a vessel fitted to destruction will end up, especially in light of the fact it's being contrasted to a "vessel of mercy?"
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ"
Nothing about hell.
Really? Where is it that some men are not appointed to? Do men who are not appointed to God's mercy but appointed to God's wrath end up in heaven?
"being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed."
Even this bad translation of the KJV says nothing about hell, only that those who are not obediant to God will stumble against Jesus.
Read the verse again, Mark. It doesn't say men will stumble; it says some men were "appointed" to stumble.
"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." — Proverbs 16:4
Let us go to the NAB for commentary: The favorable or unfavorable result of chance depends on God. Deciding strifes and doubts by lot was practiced by the ancient Hebrews
LOL. I haven't the foggiest notion of what that means. Unlike the actual words of the Proverb which seem entirely clear.
God's in control of His creation, Mark. That's not something to rebuke or fear. That's very good news.
That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring." -- Acts 17:26-28
"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead: Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us" -- 2 Corinthians 1:9-10"And [God] hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Have you been delivered "from so great a death?" Did God ordain that deliverance from before the foundation of the world, or was it a spur-of-the-moment, yet still prudent idea on your part?
“Shoehorned in to Scripture” is not the same as “in Scripture.” One is fake, the other is not.
C’mon Eckleburg, you know he thinks “ the Universe” will send them to Purgatory, and they all get a second chance, lol, lol
No, it says they were appointed to a stone of stumbling, because of their wickedness.
Haydock's Commentaries:
1Pe 2:8 Whereunto also they are [3] set, or placed, i.e. by God's permission; not that God is the cause of their sins or damnation, (whose will is that every one be saved) but his justice has appointed and decreed punishments against those who, by their own wilful malice, refuse to believe and to follow his doctrine: their stumbling against this stone is wilful and obstinate. (Witham)
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What if God, wishing to show his wrath and make known his power, has endured with much patience the vessels of wrath made for destruction?
It says ‘what if’.
***”For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ”
Nothing about hell.
Really? Where is it that some men are not appointed to? Do men who are not appointed to God’s mercy but appointed to God’s wrath end up in heaven? ***
Where does it say that? Give us the verse.
***”being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.”
Even this bad translation of the KJV says nothing about hell, only that those who are not obediant to God will stumble against Jesus.
Read the verse again, Mark. It doesn’t say men will stumble; it says some men were “appointed” to stumble.***
But it does not say that stumbling results in hell. All of us stumble in sin.
***”The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.” — Proverbs 16:4
Let us go to the NAB for commentary: The favorable or unfavorable result of chance depends on God. Deciding strifes and doubts by lot was practiced by the ancient Hebrews
LOL. I haven’t the foggiest notion of what that means. Unlike the actual words of the Proverb which seem entirely clear.***
I understand that. That is why you need the Church.
***”And [God] hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.” — Acts 17:26-28 ***
Even through the government issued KJV, we see that we are all His offspring.
***”But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us” — 2 Corinthians 1:9-10***
Still nothing about predestination to hell.
Dr. E., you have utterly failed to provide verse that proves that men are predestined to hell. You have absolutely failed. There is nothing in Scripture that proves it and to claim it is extra-scriptural posturing, which is what you accuse us of.
You do not have the authority of the Church and therefore you have theological dust and ashes.