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To: John Leland 1789
With regards to the Pope, my understanding is that we believe that the Holy Spirit is infallable. Since we believe that the Pope is guided by the Holy Spirit, he becomes infallable. Pope, the man, is fallable.

I may have read that from encyclicals of John Paul II. I wish I could remember.

I found the following from his encyclicals, since it was online I'm not sure how accurate it is, but it is pretty much in line with his writings.

-People outside the Catholic Church and the Gospel can attain salvation by grace of Christ (1990, 1.10).

-People can be saved by living a moral life, without knowing anything about Christ and the Catholic Church (1993, 3).

-There is sanctification outside the boundaries of the Catholic Church (1995, 1.12).

-The martyrs of any religious community can find the extraordinary grace of the Holy Spirit (1995, 3.84).

Our Christian history is facsinating. I imagine it would be hard to understand our beliefs and traditions without understanding our history.

"Through envy and jealousy, the greatest and most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death. Let us set before our eyes the illustrious apostles. Peter, through unrighteous envy, endured not one or two, but numerous labours and when he had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him." Clement of Rome, The First Epistle of Clement, 5 (c. A.D. 96).

5,669 posted on 06/14/2008 5:19:10 AM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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Today's Gospel Mt 5:33-37

Jesus said to his disciples: “You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, Do not take a false oath, but make good to the Lord all that you vow.

But I say to you, do not swear at all; not by heaven, for it is God’s throne; nor by the earth, for it is his footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Do not swear by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black. Let your ‘Yes’ mean ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No’ mean ‘No.’ Anything more is from the Evil One.”

5,670 posted on 06/14/2008 5:22:10 AM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: mgist

I’ve known a fair number of folks walking in Holy Spirit sufficiently that some of their more spiritual inputs were considered straight from Holy Spirit, by me.


5,680 posted on 06/14/2008 7:58:50 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: mgist

People can be saved by living a moral life without knowing anything about Christ? (I’ll leave out the Catholic church) That is such heresy, mgist. Christ is the beginning, middle, and end of salvation. Without Him there IS no salvation.


5,806 posted on 06/14/2008 4:19:58 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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