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To: MarkBsnr
This Catholic understands that the Bible says; I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).

Paul was not speaking of a persons eternal salvation in Phil.2:12, but his spiritual growth.

The Christian is commanded to 'work out' his faith, that is grow in faith and so that it can be seen by men (Ja.2).

We should do so with fear and trembling, for there is a Judgement Seat in which the Christian will be judged for his works on earth (1Cor.3:13, 2Cor.5:10-11)

The Lord spoke of having the light that is in us shine forth that men might see your good works and glorify your Father which is heaven (Matthew 5:15).

Our salvation is in us in the Persons of the Holy Trinity (Jn.17, 2Cor.6:16), the believer is sealed unto the day of Redemption (Eph.4:30) and Predestined to be conformed to the image of the Son (Rom.8:29) and nothing can separate us from the love of the Father (Rom.8:38-39)

Salvation is an event, not a process.

Sanctification is a process, but one grows because one IS saved, not TO BE saved or to STAY saved

If you are placing your confidence in anything other than the shed Blood of Christ for your eternal salvation, you have nullified grace and are not saved, since you are saved by grace and not works, else grace is no longer grace. (Rom.4)

5,281 posted on 06/12/2008 11:09:47 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Christus)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Ah, ignoring verse once again. I quoted extensive Paul (and not misunderstood Paul) in order to show you what we believe, and what a true Bible Believer should believe. You have largely ignored it and posted duelling verse.

You see how you have ignored the mathematical operator “and”? We do not cherry pick - we include all verse.

Phil 2:12 means that the Christian needs to keep going in the process of salvation with ‘fear and trembling’ - a common Old Testament expression indicating awe and seriousness in the service of God (cf Exodus 15:16; Judith 2:28; Psalm 2:11; Isaiah 19:16).

***Judgement Seat in which the Christian will be judged for his works on earth ***

And what do you think that the ramifications will be for that Judgement?

***Salvation is an event, not a process.

Sanctification is a process, but one grows because one IS saved, not TO BE saved or to STAY saved***

Methinks that you have things backwards and have reversed cause and effect.

***If you are placing your confidence in anything other than the shed Blood of Christ for your eternal salvation, you have nullified grace and are not saved, since you are saved by grace and not works, else grace is no longer grace. ***

Without the Grace of God, we cannot be saved.


5,330 posted on 06/13/2008 7:01:17 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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