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To: Petronski; John Leland 1789
[The two, grace and works, can not both be in operation at the same time for the salvation of the soul.]

Thank you for your own personal interpretation of poorly translated Scripture. Romans 11:6 And if by grace, it is not now by works: otherwise grace is no more grace. KJV sure stuffed that verse up like a polska kielbasa. LOL

Really?

That is how the Douay-Rheims translated it as well.

6 And if by grace, it is not now by works: otherwise grace is no more grace.

You are confusing a interpretation of the verse with the translation of the verse.

5,092 posted on 06/12/2008 1:20:16 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Christus)
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To: fortheDeclaration
I love Ruski Kielbassa myself. Ever tried it? What they do with it in Vladivostok with a little Oriental style is tremendous, too.

Was somebody actually trying to claim that the KJB translators were “stuffing up” Romans 11:6? Why, using the Minority Text (Douey; etc.) is not even good “democracy,” eh? That stuff out of Alexandria, Egypt won't ride a horse.

The testimony of Scripture is that God's people shouldn't go to Egypt for horses or anything else, for that matter. Why would anyone go to the seminary perverters of Scripture in Egypt, which kept that text in their studies for 350 years changing verse-after-verse to their own idolatrous, Pagan, Gnostic likings (Origin, e.g., had himself emasculated thinking he was making himself a eunuch for the Kingdom of Heaven's sake — who would trust him to comment on any verse in the Bible!). It's a MINORITY critical (meaning, under higher criticism) text.

I'll stay with the products of the text out of Antioch of Syria and the Byzantine Empire, used by early church personal evangelists, a text that got copied and copied and copied and copied with the intention of getting it out (not hid in seminary libraries) and using it to win people to Jesus Christ.

I'll stay with the product of the MAJORITY text that was the unifying Bible of the “Philadelphian Church Period,” the church of the “Open Door” (Revelation ch. 3) (1650 to 1900 or so), the greatest period of genuine revival, evangelism, and Biblicist missionary endeavor in the history of the Body of Christ. By their fruits ye shall know them.

CAN'T MIX GRACE AND WORKS FOR THE SALVATION OF THE SOUL!

Thank you, fortheDeclaration, for your excellent posts.

5,097 posted on 06/12/2008 2:42:27 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: fortheDeclaration
You are confusing a interpretation of the verse with the translation of the verse.

I am not confusing them, I am making that precise distinction. All the translations I mentioned are translations. The KJV is a protestant interpretation stuffed in where a translation should be. The effect is to add words to Scriptures...good luck with that.

5,121 posted on 06/12/2008 6:24:37 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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