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To: fortheDeclaration

There’s some good validity to your point.

However, I’m not near so cut and dried about it. I think it’s a bit more complicated than that and that God alone knows each heart and saves according to their attitude of heart toward Him; toward Christ’s Blood, Salvation for them etc. . . . and of course . . . their confession of faith, at least in their heart toward Him . . . but at some point, where fitting and possible—publically.

I’m utterly convinced that God is looking for Biblical ‘excuse’ to save people, not Biblical excuses to damn them. Therefore, I think many of us will be quite surprised at who’s in Heaven and on what ‘technicality’ they got there under.

Of course I believe in Salvation by faith vs works. Of course I believe in a focus on GOD ALONE.

But I suspect that God can get individual RC’s to that kind of place with Him via at least several routes.


4,504 posted on 06/10/2008 7:59:31 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
I’m utterly convinced that God is looking for Biblical ‘excuse’ to save people, not Biblical excuses to damn them. Therefore, I think many of us will be quite surprised at who’s in Heaven and on what ‘technicality’ they got there under.

Excellent point! Heaven is not like a stadium with a finite number of spots available. His desire is for us to be with Him.

4,508 posted on 06/10/2008 8:06:14 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Quix
I’m utterly convinced that God is looking for Biblical ‘excuse’ to save people, not Biblical excuses to damn them. Therefore, I think many of us will be quite surprised at who’s in Heaven and on what ‘technicality’ they got there under.

I tend to agree.

I don't that one who has giveb His life to save you ... is going to separate Himself from you over some 'gnat' of an issue.

I believe that all who desire life with the Master shall have it ... for that is His will.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
I believe that that is why, Biblically, the issue of salvation seems so simple (almost too simple) ...
1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

4,513 posted on 06/10/2008 8:44:21 AM PDT by Quester
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To: Quix
I’m utterly convinced that God is looking for Biblical ‘excuse’ to save people, not Biblical excuses to damn them.

As that great theologian, Moi, O.P. once wrote:

In nearly every consideration pertaining to God and his dealings with us, we cannot allow ourselves to forget that God really loves us, that He really wants the best for us in the best possible way, that He is most certainly not a celestial Scrooge looking for reasons to withhold graces from us but is rather a generous, an indulgent paymaster who will look through all the regulations as many times as necessary to find a way to give us all He can possibly give and then will dig into his own pocket to give us a little more.

4,519 posted on 06/10/2008 8:59:46 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Quix
Of course I believe in Salvation by faith vs works. Of course I believe in a focus on GOD ALONE. But I suspect that God can get individual RC’s to that kind of place with Him via at least several routes.

The Roman Catholic, like everyone else is going to have to reject what he has been taught and believe what the Bible says, no different then any other unbeliever does.

God is indeed long suffering, not wanting any to perish, but the route to salvation is narrow, not broad.

Many Roman Catholics are hearing the true Gospel on these threads and are going to have to deal with the truth of what they have read.

That is how God's grace operates, by getting the truth to those who need to hear it and those who reject it will be judged by those words they rejected.

4,712 posted on 06/10/2008 10:37:57 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Christus)
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