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To: Ultra Sonic 007; NYer; Salvation; NucSubs; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; netmilsmom
Do Catholics worship Mary (as I've seen a number of Protestants proclaim), or do they rather respect and venerate her (as I've seen Catholics claim)? Note that it's one thing to regard someone with reverence; I revere President Bush as the noted leader of the free world. I revere my father. I revere Dr. O'Neil, a humorous and brilliant math teacher at my university. It's an act of respect.

But do I WORSHIP them?


First, in regards to your "About to become a Catholic post". I accept that you have not been an active participant in the Religious forum. On the other hand your pinging exclusively to Catholics indicates a long term leaning towards Catholicism does it not?

Second, this post suggests you have been lurking for some time. Correct?

Do you "revere" your hero's to the extent that a new term, let's call it "hyper reverence" must be developed to explain the depth of your reverence?

None of the "revered" persons you have mentioned have Shrines built to honor them, have appeared in visions and have given "secrets" to save the world, and are the recipients of "worship" from some. (Though it is not 'official' teaching it cannot be denied there is such a thing as Mary Worship).

You are comparing apples and oranges in comparing the Hyper-Dulia "reverance" shown to Mary and your "mortal" hero's.

Finally, I think it important that you recognize there is more than one school of thought concerning the "veneration" shown to Mary.

In the prior thread I note that you were offered 100% Catholic and Catholic Apologetic material. You will probably find the same material offered by your Catholic "friends".

Now this is only a personal observation, but I am of the opinion you are not interested in the "other side". If that is so you should stay strictly in the Catholic Apologetic camp to avoide confusion.

If you are open minded say so. I and others would be willing to provide material which shows the "other" story.

Finally, you appear to be shocked by the differing opinions and bickering generated by your first thread. If you want only Catholic supporting replies you should seriously consider closing the thread.

301 posted on 06/01/2008 9:52:50 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; Petronski; NYer
On the other hand your pinging exclusively to Catholics indicates a long term leaning towards Catholicism does it not?

Nope. As I said later on in the other thread, news concerning the Pope interested me. And I thought it only proper to ping the holders of the Catholic ping list to articles dealing with the Pope or the Catholic Church. Any 'leaning' on my part only occurred within the previous month.

Second, this post suggests you have been lurking for some time. Correct?

Only within the last few days. I did some reading of a few other threads and culled together Protestant and Catholic vantage points on this issue.

Do you "revere" your hero's to the extent that a new term, let's call it "hyper reverence" must be developed to explain the depth of your reverence?

I don't follow. Your point?

None of the "revered" persons you have mentioned have Shrines built to honor them, have appeared in visions and have given "secrets" to save the world, and are the recipients of "worship" from some. (Though it is not 'official' teaching it cannot be denied there is such a thing as Mary Worship). You are comparing apples and oranges in comparing the Hyper-Dulia "reverance" shown to Mary and your "mortal" hero's.

True. But then again, is that what the Catholic Church teaches? Judging by the responses on the thread, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Finally, you appear to be shocked by the differing opinions and bickering generated by your first thread. If you want only Catholic supporting replies you should seriously consider closing the thread.

Only in how quickly the subject got away, given it was my first ever thread on the Religion forum (I've since learned that wasn't the case). For this particular subject - Mary - I wanted it to be open.

342 posted on 06/01/2008 10:57:58 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
None of the "revered" persons you have mentioned have Shrines built to honor them,

Jefferson Memorial, Lincoln memorial, Washington Monument(s), Grant's Tomb, Teddy Roosevelt's Grave and Sagamore Hill, Mount Rushmore ...

372 posted on 06/01/2008 12:49:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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