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To: wagglebee; Petronski
I've answered that question dozens of times.

I do not find anything untoward in the 1647 Westminster Confession of Faith.

There are many Antichrists. Any man who presumes to tell other men that he is infallible in anything, let alone something so important as our Christian faith, is not speaking the truth. Instead that person is glorifying himself at the expense of the only teacher we have on earth -- the Holy Spirit who works according to God's will by giving us a correct understanding of the Scriptures.

I am not afraid to declare the pope an imposter. He is not the head of Christ's church on earth. Christ alone holds that rank. Christ, as the head of the body, rules the universal church.

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." -- Colossians 1:18

As anyone who can read can see and understand, Rome denies this fact by declaring that the bishops, with the pope as their head, rule the universal church...

882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."403

883 "The college or body of bishops has no authority unless united with the Roman Pontiff, Peter's successor, as its head." As such, this college has "supreme and full authority over the universal Church; but this power cannot be exercised without the agreement of the Roman Pontiff."404

No pope is the "vicar of Christ."

No king but Christ.

2,596 posted on 06/05/2008 11:58:03 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Each pope in succession has been the Vicar of Christ.

No King but Christ

No conflict with Catholicism.

2,600 posted on 06/05/2008 12:01:36 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Petronski
I do not find anything untoward in the 1647 Westminster Confession of Faith.

I never thought you did, though I do find it peculiar that someone who subscribes to the false doctrine of "sola scriptura" is invariably referencing other books.

There are many Antichrists.

More YOPIOS.

Any man who presumes to tell other men that he is infallible in anything, let alone something so important as our Christian faith, is not speaking the truth. Instead that person is glorifying himself at the expense of the only teacher we have on earth -- the Holy Spirit who works according to God's will by giving us a correct understanding of the Scriptures.

Does the Holy Spirit have the ability to show ANY person how to correctly interpret Scripture? YES or NO.

I am not afraid to declare the pope an imposter.

Again, I never thought you did.

No pope is the "vicar of Christ."

Do you actually know what the definition of "vicar" is?

2,616 posted on 06/05/2008 12:19:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Any man who presumes to tell other men that he is infallible in anything, let alone something so important as our Christian faith, is not speaking the truth. Instead that person is glorifying himself at the expense of the only teacher we have on earth -- the Holy Spirit who works according to God's will by giving us a correct understanding of the Scriptures.

Now, lemme get this straight: Protestants object to the claim that the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit and so preserved from error. But lots of Protestants on FR claim direct inspiration by the Holy Spirit -- in spite of the fact that they disagree with one another (except of course on Catholic matters). I don't recall which Protestant poster mentioned he finally found a church reasonably consonant with his own beliefs after rejecting several Protestant churches.

It strikes me as truly blasphemous to believe that the Holy Spirit contradicts Himself depending on who He's talking to. Or do Protestants believe that He is deliberately sowing dissension, even among "saved" Protestants?

2,617 posted on 06/05/2008 12:20:31 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Really really nice. I am impressed.

Let’s read it again....

Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.[14]

So who else is “that AntiChrist”?


2,620 posted on 06/05/2008 12:25:24 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Petronski; netmilsmom

I’m curious, do you reject Martin Luther’s “95 Theses”?


2,624 posted on 06/05/2008 12:31:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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