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To: John Leland 1789
Between pilots, the co-pilot is junior to the pilot, and the co-captain is junior to the captain. So here are cases in English where "co" does NOT mean equal.

If we had decided that co-redeemer was a good thing to say officially about Mary, we could mean the junior relationship. You'd have an open and shut case if we started calling GOD co-redeemer. Until then, you only have one of two choices and many, many grounds to think we go with the junior choice.

2,407 posted on 06/04/2008 10:30:13 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

It’s not just in airplanes:

Co-stars are subordinate to the stars;

Co-conspirators are subordinate to the main conspirators;

Coadjutors are subordinate to suffragan bishops;

Co-dependents are subordinate to their dependents;

we could go on and on, but really there’s little point.

The language offends them, and they prize their offence over any attempts to explain or to provide context.


2,409 posted on 06/04/2008 10:40:01 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Mary is not co-redemptress any more than she is my copilot. I call her blessed, and certainly she was among women. Jesus called her “Woman,” and she can no more assist in salvation than she could assist in turning that water in to wine. In salvation, as in the first “sign” of John's Gospel (John 2:1-11), among the eight, she had to yield entirely to her Son, and her duty extended to telling the governor and his servants to do what ever HE told them to do, and no more.

A copilot can command and handle the aircraft if the pilot becomes incapacitated. Thank God Christ can never become incapacitated. If He could, no one, not even Mary, could pilot our souls to Heaven.

In redemption only ONE is necessary to to fill every position in the cockpit at the same time: Christ is ALL-IN-ALL and ALL-AND-IN-ALL. He is the Pilot without need of a copilot. He is the Navigator, without need of an assistant, and He doesn't even need radar. He is the Communications Officer, and he needs no help, not even a radio. He is the Steward who can fill our every need during flight; He fills the cup to blessed overflowing at the seat of every passenger on board, because they are also in the cockpit, seated IN Christ in the Heavenly places.

The day Mary's name appears in Scriptures like Colossians 2:9-11, then we'll be concerned about what Mary thinks. Until then, we'll count her as having been blessed, . . . we'll call her blessed when we tell of the birth of Jesus Christ, then we'll rejoice that she is one of millions who are awaiting the remainder of us in the Glory. That is where her authority and right stops.

I am still unconvinced that “co-” in the Vatican’s view is limited to the something like an airline copilot in relation to the pilot.

2,421 posted on 06/05/2008 2:30:56 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Mad Dawg; Alex Murphy; alpha-8-25-02; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; Forest Keeper; ...

None of the variations of

co-

work for me. The English meanings are all an affront, a blasphemy to Christ and His utterly unique role, imho.

The meanings are clear in English . . .

Regardless of the English meaning chosen, Mary still ends up inordinately ranking very high on a two person team that God designed as a one person slot—essentially—for Himself.


2,871 posted on 06/05/2008 6:13:49 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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