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To: Ultra Sonic 007; Dr. Eckleburg
John Paul II used the term, "co-redeemer" for Mary on eight occasions during his papacy.

I didn't want to get into the "co-redeemer" title issue, since it has been hashed out countless times on this forum, but I don't want people to get the wrong idea, least of all Ultra Sonic or any lurkers watching this thread. I know I got confused when I was lurking, and had to do some research to clarify things.

"Co-redeemer" is an English transliteration of the Latin "Co-Redemptrix." The Latin prefix "co" stems from "cum," meaning "with." It is really that simple - the definition is that she is "with the redeemer," not that she is equal to him in any sense. Heck, for 9 months she literally WAS "with" the redeemer. As Queen of Heaven, (Queen Mother - as discussed above, traditionally the mother of the King was Queen) she remains with her son.

When discussing terms of art in the Church, it is always much better to go back to the Latin. Dead Languages stay dead and static, which make them perfect for expounding fundimental Truth - you won't get caught with the connotations of the English words derived yet changed from the Latin.

239 posted on 05/31/2008 7:10:55 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
It is really that simple - the definition is that she is "with the redeemer," not that she is equal to him in any sense.

And it does not mean that she is NOT equal to or superior than Jesus...Your church refuses to define the meaning...

So when your church claims Mary dispenses ALL graces, and that Salvation comes thru Mary, it's left up to the local leaders how much emphasis they want to put on it...

Pretty slick move...Your church already has Mary as the co-advocate-mediator, even tho Jesus says that's a lie...There's ONE mediator...Not a co-mediator...

It won't be long before May is the fourth person of the Trinity, at your church...

240 posted on 05/31/2008 7:51:51 AM PDT by Iscool (<p><i>)
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