To: wagglebee
Are you suggesting that the Blessed Mother DID NOT have the option of declining? I was once expressly told this by a Calvinist.
So serious an error as this makes the Holy Spirit a rapist, and Mary a broodmare.
The idea is almost physically sickening to me.
1,902 posted on
06/04/2008 11:32:03 AM PDT by
Petronski
(Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
To: Petronski
Of course if the Blessed Mother was incapable of declining this would mean that she also lacked free will and would therefore be incapable of committing sin.
1,903 posted on
06/04/2008 11:34:04 AM PDT by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: Petronski; DungeonMaster; Marysecretary; 1000 silverlings; OLD REGGIE
If Mary had "declined" to carry the Christ child, God's entire plan of salvation by the "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" would have been thwarted.
God graciously made Mary an offer she couldn't and wouldn't refuse.
I trust God when He says He "declared the end from the beginning."
You're free to dispute that.
As God wills.
1,978 posted on
06/04/2008 12:49:27 PM PDT by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Petronski
Well you'd think the Protestants would learn from the persistence of the Calvinist-Arminian quarrel that the question of Free Will and Predestination is too hard for simple formulaic answers, not to mention it's being too hard for humans generally. Their one sided explanation — which, I think, sacrifices accuracy for simplicity and logical consistency with everything but experience — does seem to end up with Mary and the rest of us as marionettes.
2,396 posted on
06/04/2008 9:23:23 PM PDT by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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