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To: raygun
So now that you've found the mother-lode, what do you you need anybody's input for?

I know that you don't need anybody's input for anything.

Have you been around FR for almost 8 years without yet learning it is customary to give attribution or link to articles you cut & paste from?
11,241 posted on 07/04/2008 12:39:10 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
If it wasn't so depressing, you'd almost be amusing. As if that was a "cut & paste job". The time I've spent on this board has taught me well that touche is the cry to be made when ALL that one can respond with is lack of credidation.

You have recourse. You can notify Dave Hunt, Berean Call, and company et ali, that I plagarized his work. Because that is exactly your point, as if that in and of itself would minimize, mitigate, disperse your personal responsibility, or trivialize or outright refute the substance of my post.

Now, just to be clear, I'm going to show you the true meaning of "cut & paste". You know what? NO credit, citation, nor bibliography will be necessary. But if you desire, you can run to that authority and complain to them that I'm plagarizing their works. Good luck on that.

I'm going to lay it out how Mary is the Co-Redeemer, Mediatress of ALL Grace, and just what veneration of Mary actually entails.

I'm going to do that without ANY citation whatsoever. Feel free to petition the Holy Office (aka Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith). Maybe you get an autos-da-fe out of the deal (I'm not holding my breath though).

The blood of the martyrs cries out, and if I'm somewhat virtriolic, so be it; an apology would go far to ameliorate.

You and your church have no grounds whatsoever to cry hate, hostility or vitriol. No, not one ground whatsoever in that regard. Instead, and the foregoing notwithstanding, I see deliberate, stubborn, mulish stiffneckedness.

After almost 13,000 posts what has been conceded to by either party?

11,421 posted on 07/05/2008 5:40:12 PM PDT by raygun
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To: OLD REGGIE; Petronski
Lets talk 'bout it, eh?

Roman Catholic Catechism

Which one do you want to deal with first?

I'm going to tell you - from your own material - just how "wrong" I am. And then we'll see just HOW "loving" you are.

11,466 posted on 07/05/2008 8:31:50 PM PDT by raygun
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To: OLD REGGIE

YOU do NOT want to know what I think.


11,473 posted on 07/05/2008 8:50:16 PM PDT by raygun
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To: OLD REGGIE

At the announcement that she would give birth to “the Son of the Most High” without knowing man, by the power of the Holy Spirit, Mary responded with the obedience of faith, certain that “with God nothing will be impossible”: “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be [done] to me according to your word.” Thus, giving her consent to God’s word, Mary becomes the mother of Jesus. Espousing the divine will for salvation wholeheartedly, without a single sin to restrain her, she gave herself entirely to the person and to the work of her Son; she did so in order to serve the mystery of redemption with him and dependent on him, by God’s grace:


11,478 posted on 07/05/2008 8:54:07 PM PDT by raygun
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To: OLD REGGIE

Since the Virgin Mary’s role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. “The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is ‘clearly the mother of the members of Christ’ . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head.” “Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church.”


11,480 posted on 07/05/2008 8:55:35 PM PDT by raygun
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To: OLD REGGIE

Mary’s role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. “This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death”; it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:


11,482 posted on 07/05/2008 8:57:11 PM PDT by raygun
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To: OLD REGGIE

After her Son’s Ascension, Mary “aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers.” In her association with the apostles and several women, “we also see Mary by her prayers imploring the gift of the Spirit, who had already overshadowed her in the Annunciation.”


11,504 posted on 07/05/2008 9:29:25 PM PDT by raygun
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To: OLD REGGIE

Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death.” The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son’s Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:


11,508 posted on 07/05/2008 9:31:20 PM PDT by raygun
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To: OLD REGGIE

By her complete adherence to the Father’s will, to his Son’s redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church’s model of faith and charity. Thus she is a “preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church”; indeed, she is the “exemplary realization” (typus) of the Church.


11,510 posted on 07/05/2008 9:32:29 PM PDT by raygun
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