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To: MarkBsnr
admit that God came for all men

If Christ came for all men, yet all men are not saved, then God is not all-powerful and does not get what He wants and is too weak or feeble or absent-minded or cruel to accomplish that which He "came for."

You have a god who is thwarted in getting what He "came for" by men's supposed free will.

Like Luther, I thank God my will is not free, but now held captive to Christ.

Jesus clearly tells us in John 17 that He does not pray for all the word; only for those whom God has given to Him, those who believe on His name.

God's love is not for all?

Apparently not. God hated Esau.

10,765 posted on 07/01/2008 12:28:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***If Christ came for all men, yet all men are not saved, then God is not all-powerful and does not get what He wants and is too weak or feeble or absent-minded or cruel to accomplish that which He “came for.”***

Why not answer the verse? And maybe a few more which clearly state different to Calvin:

1 Tim 2:

1 First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone,
2
for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity.
3
This is good and pleasing to God our savior,
4
who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth.

Everyone. All men. Not the high school student council.

Luke 6:
35
But rather, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend expecting nothing back; then your reward will be great and you will be children of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.
36
Be merciful, just as (also) your Father is merciful.

It ain’t merciful to create the human race and pull the wings and arms and legs off them.

Ezekiel 33:

11
Answer them: As I live, says the Lord GOD, I swear I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked man, but rather in the wicked man’s conversion, that he may live. Turn, turn from your evil ways!

John 12:

31
Now is the time of judgment on this world; now the ruler of this world 18 will be driven out.
32
And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”

Come on, Dr. E. How does your theology of death explain all these away? Scripturally, now, not that script of satan that you trot out so frequently.


10,779 posted on 07/01/2008 12:50:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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