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To: enat

It makes perfect sense. This is what Calvinists believe.

They are telling God that they have Faith enough for Him to elect them.

Insulting me isn’t going to change the fact that Calvinism is essentially arrogant.


10,626 posted on 06/30/2008 6:56:14 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Oh my! Disagreeing is now snide and a personal attack. How Obambi!)
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To: OpusatFR

“This is what Calvinists believe. They are telling God that they have Faith enough for Him to elect them”

Whoever made that statement does not know what Calvinists believe. How can they tell God they have faith enough for Him to elect them when they believe that they are incapable of belief unless God first gives them the faith through his grace to believe? Someone who believes because of his self generated faith and works that God must save him is arrogant.


10,640 posted on 06/30/2008 7:10:49 PM PDT by enat
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To: OpusatFR; enat
As enat pointed out, you display a non-existent understanding of Calvinism.

They are telling God that they have Faith enough for Him to elect them.

The Calvinist believes no man is capable of saving faith unless and until God first regenerates his heart and gives him new eyes and new ears and a renewed mind.

And none of those things are of men themselves. We are all fallen and none seek God's face.

Only the supernatural rebirth by Holy Spirit, given by God to whom He will, changes the sinner from God-loathing to God-fearing, not according to our merit or our ability, but according to His good pleasure alone.

Men are not good and therefore men believe. Men are fallen and incapable of belief unless God first grabs hold of them and drags them to Him, imputing to them the righteousness of Christ in place of their own fleshly nature.

And then they believe.

10,644 posted on 06/30/2008 7:28:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: OpusatFR

***Insulting me isn’t going to change the fact that Calvinism is essentially arrogant.***

Entirely arrogant. The high school student council who have not amounted to a thing in real life have concocted a fantasy theology in which they only go to Heaven.


10,660 posted on 06/30/2008 8:16:16 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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