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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You simply cannot get around it. God creates those He knows will burn in hell.

It is still their choice.

Although the Calvinist denies her own free will, she has it anyway. That denial of free will is itself an exercise of free will.

10,504 posted on 06/30/2008 4:14:22 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski
Does God give faith to all men?

Does the Holy Spirit lead all men to Christ?

Did Christ redeem all men?

No. No. No.

10,508 posted on 06/30/2008 4:24:00 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski
Yes, it's still their choice, unaided by the Holy Spirit and hampered by an inability to choose righteously which only the Holy Spirit imparts.

"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" -- 1 Corinthians 4:7

10,512 posted on 06/30/2008 4:35:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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