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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: CharlesWayneCT

What I’ve been taught is that it represents the nation Israel in the end times.


881 posted on 06/01/2008 8:55:32 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Mad Dawg
And as it happens, we know very well that there is some collaboration going on to say things not because they are thought to be true but because they are thought to be irritating. So no, I will not 'get off the "hate" kick.' I believe it to be accurate and lamentable, but not at all to be "enabled" by pretending it's not there.


882 posted on 06/01/2008 8:56:09 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Running On Empty
I have created nothing. Don’t attribute anything to me that is false.

Sorry I did not mean you personally.

It is the Roman church that has been creating pagan fables
since it's inception at Nicea under Constantine.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua
883 posted on 06/01/2008 8:57:09 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Petronski

Hmm, I don’t believe that’s what I said, P. Are you putting words in my mouth, sir????


884 posted on 06/01/2008 8:57:42 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; Marysecretary; Joya

Joya just translated.

Thanks for your kind words.

BTW, as you might gather, I have a sizeable list of aversions to a lot of stuff in the Roman edifice.

However, I also have a very strong bias about supporting folks in whatever they earnestly and honestly feel God is having them do—as long as it’s remotely Biblical.

I also fiercely believe that individual believers in all Christian groups and congregations will be drawn out and together the closer we get to Christ’s return.

What that drawing out and togetherness will look like, I don’t know. But I suspect it will be case by case operations and activities contingent on local things according to God’s priorities. And, I think it will entail folks who PUT GOD FIRST ABOVE ALL ELSE charatibly, generously and and sacrificially loving one another and the hurting world around about them.

I think it will involved a markedly intensified majoring in majors and minoring in minors on the part of all such following God above ALL ELSE.

I also wish to restate . . . I believe that EVERY Christian club of every flavor and label

As well as every congregation . . .

is to some degree plagued with idolaatry, blasphemy, UnBiblical traditions of man etc. Some outrageously so in quantity and depth of crud. Some less so.

Wherever one looks in Christianity, the church is a mess. The RC edifice is no exception regardless of what folks with blinders and broken mirrors contend. Every Protty denomination is also a similar mess with a different mixture of specifics in every club and congregation.

Human nature has not changed. And RELIGION vs RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD as HIGHEST PRIORITY has ALWAYS made the worst of human nature—WORSE. It does NOT matter what the label on the Christian club/RELIGION, is.

Much of the hazard of RELIGION, to me, virtually always involves

FORM

ABOVE Biblical, Godly

SUBSTANCE.

And ALL HUMANS ARE MASTER ARTISTS at rationalizing in their own minds, to their own mirrors and to all listeners

That THEIR particular case demosntrates that

THEIR FORM = GODLY SUBSTANCE

when overwhelmingly often, the opposite is truer.

May God’s Holy Spirit guide you wholesale in all your doings.

BTW, I find your anti-infanticide website masterful and a blessing to see. Congrats.

Oh, I’d be interested in what you thought of Jesse Du Plantis’ DVDs/book/CD’s on

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE GOD KIND

about his 5 earth hours spent in Heaven. He was reared a Roman Catholic. He’s also a rather humorous Louisiana Cajun.

God’s best to you.


885 posted on 06/01/2008 8:58:33 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Petronski

Oh, buzz off.


886 posted on 06/01/2008 8:59:58 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: tiki

The road runs both ways on these threads, tiki.


887 posted on 06/01/2008 9:00:36 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary
I have been taught that this particular verse speaks of the nation Israel in end times and has nothing to do with Mary.

You don't see anything wrong with that interpretation?

What is the unbelieving nation Israel doing in heaven?

888 posted on 06/01/2008 9:01:24 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Marysecretary
I have been taught that this particular verse speaks of the nation Israel in end times and has nothing to do with Mary.

May I ask who interpreted that scripture in that way? I thought each protestant could interpret it for him/herself, with the help of prayer and the Holy Spirit....?

889 posted on 06/01/2008 9:01:39 PM PDT by Judith Anne (..)
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To: papertyger
Just so I understand. I was talking stories with some historical facts, and some allegorical elements. You claimed that Acts chapter 1 included examples of stories that were part factual, and part allegorical.

Seeing no such thing, I asked you to point out what part of Acts 1 you think were not historical, and this is your response?

I have presented a simple hypothesis -- that it is wrong to interpret parts of clearly allegorical stories as being literal historical fact.

You suggested Acts 1 showed me wrong. It should be trivial for you to quote a verse out of Acts 1 that you believe is an allegorical, not factual, verse.

My hypothesis is not all that hard to argue against. There are stories in the bible that have historical basis, but which some then interpret as having allegorical meaning as well. If we had one we could discuss, it might be fun to see how we each interpret the scripture, to see if it matches how we each interpreted Romans 12.

Maybe the problem is that I've completely misunderstood what your argument was about in Revelations 12. I thought you were arguing that the part about Mary being queen was historical, while the rest was allegorical -- although later you implied I was wrong to interpret Mary having wings as allegorical, or maybe that her stay in the desert for 42 months was supposed to be an historical fact.

But maybe you were claiming that Revelations 12 was a prophesy about a future time, and that in that future time, Mary will be a Queen. Of course, in that case the birth in Revelations 12 wouldn't be the birth of Jesus (which already happened).

But frankly, I am going to just give up on trying to figure out what your argument is. You keep claiming I am wrong without presenting any evidence, and now that you suggested a chapter that doesn't prove your point you won't tell me what verse you were refering to.

I didn't come here to win an argument, and so I bid you a fond farewell.

890 posted on 06/01/2008 9:02:38 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Judith Anne

It obviously isn’t to convert us because how can them repeating lies about our faith convert us.

If I wanted to convert a Methodist to Catholicism, I sure wouldn’t tell them that Methodists believe some God-awful, stupid stuff. I mean, they are Methodist, they know what they believe and me telling them lies isn’t likely to make them want to become Catholic.

I would tell them of the fullness of the faith, the encounters with Jesus through the sacraments, the wonderful intimacy of Jesus in the Eucharist. I would tell them how our faith is alive and new and ancient too.


891 posted on 06/01/2008 9:02:41 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Mad Dawg
I'm feeling the love here. Not.

Look in the mirror. You'll find it.
892 posted on 06/01/2008 9:02:41 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Judith Anne

It really was. Robert Duvall is one of the finest actors in Hollywood. The others were good, too. I loved Broken Trail. Did you see him in that?


893 posted on 06/01/2008 9:03:06 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Pretty funny. thanks.


894 posted on 06/01/2008 9:04:26 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: netmilsmom
No one does.

Ha!
895 posted on 06/01/2008 9:05:52 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: papertyger; Marysecretary
What is the unbelieving nation Israel doing in heaven?

Because israel is G-d's Chosen People.

896 posted on 06/01/2008 9:07:24 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Judith Anne

A lot of people have, especially those who study eschatology. Google it.


897 posted on 06/01/2008 9:07:47 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: tiki

Well said.


898 posted on 06/01/2008 9:07:56 PM PDT by Judith Anne (..)
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To: wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; Iscool; 1000 silverlings; Joya; Marysecretary

Thanks tons for your kind words.

Some seem to think that my distinctive posting style is . . . some sort of odd, perversely aberrant, self-embellishing, something-or-orherizing affectation.

It’s not. It’s just being the me the best that I’ve learned to be me operating the best I know how with the existential thrownness The Lord has cast me as and cast me into.

But it has sure enabled me to be my own best Rorschach.

And to watch the fun God has had with THAT function! LOL.

Complacency is a pretty deadly thing. It’s a lot more deadly than hate. At least hate is not luke-warm.

But, to me, a lot of the “hate” labeling hereon is a perverse political manipulation designed to coerce the Forum into granting one particular RELIGIOUS CLUB more or less exclusive sanction protecting their unique sensibilities, biases, preferences and thin-skins.

And, I find it more than a little hypocritical. Protties cannot dare even hint slightly that they know anything about any motivations of the other side. Yet the other side virtually gleefully with great fanfare, dust throwing and neon lights seemingly exalts in labeling the heart motivations of a long list of Prottys as “hate.”

What a duplicitous double standard. I can’t believe God is very amused with that.

I’m learning that “hate,” in that case, means anything they are even slightly uncomfotable with . . . anything that even slightly annoys their sensibilities.

Welllll whoop T do.


899 posted on 06/01/2008 9:09:25 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You keep claiming I am wrong without presenting any evidence, and now that you suggested a chapter that doesn't prove your point you won't tell me what verse you were refering to.

What is so hard to figure out about the statement "Find the Old Testament Scriptures Peter is referencing in Acts 1?"

900 posted on 06/01/2008 9:11:41 PM PDT by papertyger
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