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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: fortheDeclaration
That is not how the Douay Rheims reads, it reads, 'For we are the good odour of Christ unto God in them that are saved.

Your own Bible has saved, not being saved. You even reject your own Bible!

AMEN, ftd!!!

Any lie to preserve men's ability to save themselves, and to confuse, blur and meld justification with sanctification.

God knows who are His, and by the grace of God, each of them one day knows it, too, when the Holy Spirit gives them new eyes and new ears and a new heart and a renewed mind and rebirths their fallen nature.

Christ on the cross is not just a suggestion; it's wiping the slate clean for all those who have been mercifully graced by God with faith alone in Christ alone.

Men are justified one time for all their sins by Christ on the cross; men are progressively sanctified for their entire lives by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

6,461 posted on 06/17/2008 9:06:51 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski; Alex Murphy; alpha-8-25-02; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; Forest Keeper; ...
Anyone intelligent enough to know sola fide is not Biblical.

Yeah, it's sooooo terrible. Us ignorunt Prottys only gut cents enuff tuh be ETERNALLY SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS ALONE! PRAISE GAWD AND HALLELUJAH!

PRAISE THE LAWD AND PASS THE ROOT BEER!


6,462 posted on 06/17/2008 9:10:56 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: enat

Acts 15:24 is saying that the new Christian Church does not require its members to keep to the Jewish law.

28-29 is saying that the new Christian Church does have rules and regulations that the members must follow.


6,463 posted on 06/17/2008 9:18:46 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: fortheDeclaration; Dr. Eckleburg
St. Dominic prayed to Our Lady that she would force the devils, who possessed a man, to reveal the truth about devotion to her. The devils were forced by Our Lady to reveal: "Now that we are forced to speak we must also tell you this: Nobody who perseveres in saying the Rosary will be damned, because she obtains for her servants the grace of true contrition for their sins and by means of this they obtain God’s forgiveness and mercy."

Isn't he the one who led the Inquisition?

6,464 posted on 06/17/2008 9:19:13 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Quix

Nice comeback.

I express my gratitude to God and also the hope that I will be with Him forever and you post this.

So be it.


6,465 posted on 06/17/2008 9:21:30 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Men are justified one time for all their sins by Christ on the cross; men are progressively sanctified for their entire lives by the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Sola Cauvin

6,466 posted on 06/17/2008 9:23:05 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: MarkBsnr

Matthew 7:6


6,467 posted on 06/17/2008 9:23:51 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: DungeonMaster; Alex Murphy; alpha-8-25-02; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; ...

Faith by reason?

= = =

Noooooooooooooooo, NOT by a long shot . . .

—faith by irrational rubber histories
—faith by irrational rubber ‘Bible.’
—faith by irrational magicsterical power-mongering elitists committee
—faith by white hanky worship
—faith by fantasy
—faith by apparition
—faith by !!!!TRADITION!!!!
—faith by Pomp and Circumstance!
—faith by indulgences
—faith by extrapolation and inference
—faith by audacity
—. . .

They never got close to faith by reason . . . much, much less faith alone in Christ’s Blood.


6,468 posted on 06/17/2008 9:24:07 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: DungeonMaster

***Faith by reason?***

By the authority of Christ.


6,469 posted on 06/17/2008 9:25:26 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Many RC’s are artists at

obscuring shreds of authentic faith in God Alone

by all manner of noise, trappings, idolatries, blaphemies, rationalizations, hogwash, magisterical rantings,

Sometimes, Prottys just don’t feel like getting out the magnifying glasses to find such shreds of authentic faith in an RC’s post.

It’s more fun to highlight the absurdities.


6,470 posted on 06/17/2008 9:27:30 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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In other words . . .

if it

quacks like self-righteous arrogance,
waddles like self-righteous arrogance,
floats like self-righteous arrogance,
swims like self-righteous arrogance,
flys like self-righteous arrogance,
lays eggs like self-righteous arrogance,
loses feathers like self-righteous arrogance,
preens it’s feathers like self-righteous arrogance,
gobbles duckweed like self-righteous arrogance,
. . .

Some of us Prottys are lazy enough to not bother investigating further—we’ll just take the evidence and go on.


6,471 posted on 06/17/2008 9:30:15 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: DungeonMaster
Well, Actually I'm pretty confident that "Gentile Lady" is a misprint and a really funny one. Whoever typed up your list obviously put their trust in spell check.

I think that giving lofty names to Mary is fine as long as they don't trespass into paying divine honors. It seemed to me that none of those names you listed gave divine honor to Mary, so I thought they were all innocuous.

I HAD thought there was something in the actual content of the names that you thought was wrong, but now I see, or I think I do, that you think the mere giving of honorifics is bad.

And that I just don't get. Unless your side is going to leap to the unsupported conclusion that by merely tolerating honoring the Mother of the Lord the Church is turning folks away from Christ, I can't see anything intrinsically wrong with 2,000 years of devotion churning out a few titles. And I know the difference between a King and a Queen in a patriarchal worldview, so I'm not flustered by calling Mary Queen of anything. She is, after all, the mother of the King, and that often gets one the courtesy of a royal title.

So I don't see what the problem is.

It's not so much my question. You put up the list and said it was an outrage or something, but didn't say what was outrageous about it.

6,472 posted on 06/17/2008 9:32:01 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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By the authority of Christ.

CORRECTED:

By "authority" of the elitist, arrogant, militarily supported power mongering political committee called the RC magicsterical and all their bureaucratic hangers-on.

6,473 posted on 06/17/2008 9:34:15 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; fortheDeclaration; 1000 silverlings; Quix; Marysecretary; DungeonMaster; ...
Catholics are being told they can have a confident "assurance" of their salvation by the faithful recitation of the Rosary, but NOT by possessing faith in Jesus Christ! As Trent says, all who believe they have an assurance of their salvation by the evidence of faith in Christ are anathematized!

All we can do is keep trying to explain what The Gospel is and pray for them.

I think a clear case can be made that Mary really didn't understand who Jesus was until the resurrection. She was a good faithful mom who worried about her child, but if she knew Jesus was God incarnate why would she berate him when he stayed at the Temple. Why would she come with his step brothers to take him home after he started his ministry? IOW, she never displayed any extraordinary knowledge or abilities.

6,474 posted on 06/17/2008 9:34:56 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Petronski

***Matthew 7:6***

And some of them have large, ungainly feet.


6,475 posted on 06/17/2008 9:37:18 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix

***It’s more fun to highlight the absurdities.***

I see. So you find it absurd and worthy only of mockery when I posted (to another poster):

And, by the Grace of God, I am a member of His Church. He has blessed me considerably, I can ask for no more except to be with Him forever.

The brightest angel must be very proud.


6,476 posted on 06/17/2008 9:41:27 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: wmfights
Isn't he the one who led the Inquisition?

OOOOOOH! the big bad Inquisition! OOOOOOH! THERE's a word to frighten children with. If we find enough of them we wont' have to think at all!

From the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church:

The Inquisition properly so called came into being when in 1232 the Emperor Frederick II issued an edict for the whole Empire entrusting the hunting out of heretics to state officials. Thereupon Gregory IX, fearing Frederick's political ambitions claimed the office for the Church and appointed Papal Inquisitors.
Saint Dominic died in 1221.

So much easier to calumniate the Church when we ignore the facts.

6,477 posted on 06/17/2008 9:42:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Quix

***quacks like self-righteous arrogance,
waddles like self-righteous arrogance,
floats like self-righteous arrogance,
swims like self-righteous arrogance,
flys like self-righteous arrogance,
lays eggs like self-righteous arrogance,
loses feathers like self-righteous arrogance,
preens it’s feathers like self-righteous arrogance,
gobbles duckweed like self-righteous arrogance,***

You are not as arrogant as some here, I’ll grant you that.


6,478 posted on 06/17/2008 9:42:44 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: wmfights
All we can do is keep trying to explain what The Gospel is and pray for them.ANYTHING to keep from understanding what Catholics actually say or mean by what they say!
6,479 posted on 06/17/2008 9:47:40 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
...but now I see, or I think I do, that you think the mere giving of honorifics is bad.

I have been told on this forum that mere capitalization of a proper noun equates to "bowing" to someone.

6,480 posted on 06/17/2008 9:49:32 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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