The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Catholics will just switch definitions of cooperate with you in order to not really face the challenge that is set before them. The new Catholic definition of "cooperate" will be "didn't fight hard enough against for it not to happen", and everything will be in harmony. It's easy to always win a debate when you switch off on definitions to dodge every challenge. Darwinists are experts on this tactic.

Which is exactly what we've seen in this discussion.

Bob and weave, waiting for a TKO that never comes.

[papertyger]

Not a very accurate one, but understandable.

Hmmmm. Distinction with no difference.

I guess that's as close to a concession as you're capable of giving.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Not by themselves it doesn't.

The verse says, All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:The the man of God may be perfect thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Then how can you use that verse to require anything but the OT?

I don't. The same thing that was required for salvation in the OT is the same thing that is required in the NT. A person can be declared righteous by believing just what the OT teaches...Trust God. That's it.

Becky

[papertyger]

Well, I don't know. Why don't you google it? LOL.

Because I know Scripture doesn't say that: you did.

Furthermore, I see nothing funny about misrepresenting what the Scriptures say.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Thank you Quix:)

Becky

[dan1123]

And the logical fallacy in play here is Equivocation

[Petronski]

I didn’t know logic was at work here at all.

You make a bunch of false claims about Catholics and a fellow poster pats you on the back for your observations.

There’s no logic at work in that.

[papertyger]

Your derision of God’s Holy Word will get you nowhere, you or other RC’s who hate sola scripture.

I have no derision for God's Holy Word: only those who twist and pervert it with unbiblical doctrines of man like sola scriptura.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Because as Marysecretary says..."(JPII) is dead Jim."

Agreed. Just as Mary is dead.

The current pope may try to diminish the title of "co-redeemer" for the moment. But that hasn't stopped Catholics on this forum from saying Mary is on the cross with Christ and helping Him to save His sheep.

Likewise, the RCC catechism is thankfully written in black and white, and therefore illustrates (until the next revision is published) the clear-cut errors of Rome.

And the words of the RCC catechism regarding Mary are blashpemy.

969 Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by ther manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.

Read your Bible! Mary does not occupy the office of salvation; she's dead and therefore she does not intercede on anyone's behalf; and she does NOT bring anyone "the gifts of eternal salvation."

Salvation is a gift from God alone by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

[rollo tomasi]

The subject did come up under different circumstances, read about your first pope, read about men drawing swords, read about the spiritual dead "religionist" of the day accusing Him of violating the law.

Jesus would have been consistent in adhering to God's will i.e. going to the cross, suffering and dying no matter what, period. Anyone in His way got rebuked, just as this hypothetical situation would have been, shot down.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Did I misquote the RCC catecism in my excerpt?

Have I ever misquoted the RCC catechism in any excerpt I've offered?

No and no.

I deleted the footnote numbers.

Your purported google searches are suspect and therefore meaningless.

Prove that I misquoted the RCC catechism (keeping in mind that deleting footnote numbers is not misquoting.)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I posted the link with the Google search of the quote you gave. It reveled four anti-Catholic sites.

And further, how do you presume to know what I put in my google search???

You don't. You only know what you put in your google search.

This is insanity.

[papertyger]

You get that feeling in these debates, every possible soft interpretation is used, every possible missing instruction is taken advantage of.

And "making up" the "missing instruction" is better?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Did Paul have the free will to refuse God on the road to Damascus?

Again, the RCC diminishes the strength, intent and resolve of the Holy Spirit to perform God's will.

A definite no-no.

[Petronski]

That’s not an answer.

[netmilsmom]

>>The current pope may try to diminish the title of “co-redeemer” for the moment. But that hasn’t stopped Catholics on this forum from saying Mary is on the cross with Christ and helping Him to save His sheep.<<

Well now you have the quote to correct them. “Co-redeemer” nor “Co-redemptrix”, neither are dogma of the Catholic church.

But I do have to ask, where did you cut and paste that quote from? The one that starts with 969?

[OLD REGGIE]

1. Remember all in Heaven are subsurvient to the Chief Political Power-Monger in Rome. God has to wait in line until the messages trickle down . . . or is it trickle up?

It's just this type of exaggeration which riles the feathers of our Catholic friends. The Catholic Church doesn't teach this and no faithful Catholic would say such a thing.

Oh wait! A learned Catholic did say the following in response to my posting of the "infallible" Unam Sanctum where Pope Boniface VIII declared "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

"Yes. It is correct. To be in heaven is to be in the Church. To be in the Church, is to be subject, to the extent applicable, to the Roman Pontiff."
#2769 Mad Dawg

It must be so.

[netmilsmom]

You can type any excuse that you like. I refer all readers to go to the thread. “Do Protestants consider Roman Catholics Christians?” And see for yourselves.

I really love that the Protestants were so wonderful to the Catholics there. It truly showed the love amongst Christians!

[wagglebee]

Are you another one of those people who refuse to use official terminology of the Catholic Church?

Perhaps we should start calling their pastors, "head snakehandler."

[1000 silverlings]

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

unbelievable, it just gets worse and worse