The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[Mad Dawg]

Most Protestants (I used to be a faithful, learned one) :) Would say it is abundantly clear beginning with "he knew her not until..." and continuing with "Your mother and your brothers are outside, asking for you." .

As far as I'm concerned this is an argument in favor of sacred tradition to compliment the Bible. There are so many ambiguities in a compilation which we only have a tradition to tell us is meant to be the supreme book of the Church. It does not show signs of being intended as a comprehensive and exhaustive source as the debates over Sola Scriptura show, at least to my satisfaction.

We stipulate that it is inspired but what we have is something oracularly vague. The "Scripture explains Scripture" school does not explain why Scripture excerpt A should somehow outrank Scripture excerpt B so that we can say man is justified by faith alone because all this over here outranks that over there.

When the bluster is used up, we seem to have found no indisputable arguments but a lot of angry arguers.

As you ourself point out, though I don't agree with the motives you assign to it, there is lots of wiggle room with sacred tradition. Without it, there is the strange history of the different groupings in the US, from the City on a Hill to the Quakers and Baptists and from there on out into the denominational jungle.

It almost seems as though disagreeing with the Catholics serves as a uniting bond in a collection of groups which, without the unifying force of a common enemy, would fall to fighting among themselves.

What an improbable performance! What an unreliable oracle, if its reliability is to be deduced from those who claim to derive their teaching from it and from it alone.

[OLD REGGIE]

They would however, use “brothers” for half-brothers if there was no other word to use.

But my child if His half brothers were the sons of Mary they would be His blood brothers also. Not?

[netmilsmom]

Not totally.

Blood siblings are not half-siblings nor step siblings.

[OLD REGGIE]

Extravagant language can be misunderstood; the more words iused, the greater the possibility of error. OTOH, If the writer wants to obfuscate a meaning, what better way than to bury it in wordiness?

Oh! That explains the wordiness of the Catechism and the Code of Canon Law.

[Petronski]

Some folks think the Catechism is too long. I guess reading it makes their mouths too tired.

[big'ol_freeper]

Hey Quix-draw, I see you are back from sabbatical (or whatever they are calling it on FR these days). I was beginning to think you were a victim of alien kidnapping or something. The forum has been a bit “quiet” without you...ok, that’s not exactly true. In any event, welcome back.

[trisham]

Some folks think the Catechism is too long. I guess reading it makes their mouths too tired.

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LOL!

[OLD REGGIE]

#1369 Judith Anne:

"Extravagant language can be misunderstood; the more words iused, the greater the possibility of error. OTOH, If the writer wants to obfuscate a meaning, what better way than to bury it in wordiness?"

[OLD REGGIE]

You do know what spam is don’t you?

[Petronski]

Let's not compare a digest of 1900 years of theological scholarship with bizarre and disjointed strings of gibberish,

NO MATTER
THE SIZE
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COLOR

[Petronski]

That right there is a home run. In fact, a compendium like that is probably going to make the anti-Catholic fetishists squeal.

[trisham]

You do know what spam is don’t you?

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Your posts?

[andysandmikesmom]

Thanks for those links in your post....I can see that I have a lot of hopefully worthwhile, uplifting and informative reading to get to....

[Quix]

Satan and all kinds of critters can insult me 24/7 . . . sometimes outrageously.

Yet . . .

IF

I don’t receive it . . .

or

IF I don’t receive it as an insult

WHETER INTENDED as an INSULT, or not . . .

it kind of dies on the vine in terms of any import to me or to what I love.

[Quix]

Well put, imho.

[Quix]

The Roman church; the edifice and political power mongering structure in Rome and with the leader claiming to be leader of all Christendom, was founded after the Pagan Council at Nicea

[big'ol_freeper]

You said: The Roman church; the edifice and political power mongering structure in Rome and with the leader claiming to be leader of all Christendom, was founded after the Pagan Council at Nicea.

Repeating a lie does not make it true. And that, good sir, is a complete and utter fabrication.

[mgist]

http://www.ccel.org/bible/phillips/CP10Ephesians.htm

Do Protestants have the Letters of the Ephesians in their bibles? They were written about 58 AD. I find these letters absolutly beautifull and inspired by the Holy Spirit. In my opinion they had a very stong influence on our Catholic faith and tell a lot about Christian history.

[Quix]

God alone is omniscient; neither Mary, nor any of the other saints in Heaven are—and I challenge you to show me where in holy Scripture citizenship in heaven for humans implies gaining God’s omniscience or omnipresence.

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INDEED.

As to insults . . . they seem to be part of the RC rituals for a significant chunk of the RC’s. Kind of goes with the mentality of construing RELIGIOUS REALITY such that they are convinced that only they have the truly truest true TRUTH.

[Quix]

It’s hard to respond to nonsense except with more nonsense.

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HALLELUJAH!

SOMEONE gets it!