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To: MHGinTN
Hi MHG,

Why the harsh tone?

From your response, it appears that you agree with each of the points I made, yet you have ill will toward me, whom you have never met.

Let's go back over these, this time without the digressions and name-calling.

1. Jesus became a man.
Your response: For The Son became a man inside the created universe.
We agree on this point.

2. He was born, lived, suffered pain, and died.
You agree with this too, despite your trying to bring in irrelevant attacks from out of nowhere.

Do you actually want to deny that God has dominion to come and go in His creation as He sees fit?

No. Do you? The idea that God is some kind of changeling or "shapeshifter" like we see on Star Trek is interesting, and I don't fault you for believing that. You may believe as you wish.

3. Immortal Gods don't die. Mortal men do.

Your response: Is Jesus alive right now and forever more? God as the man Jesus DID die.

Do you agree with Nietsche? Was God dead for a period of time? Or is He immortal? Maybe you want it both ways. You are beginning to sound like a Mormon here.

He died in your place! Do you really have so little comprehension of what Salvation in Christ is that you would assert God in Christ did not die for you and for me

I understand the essence of Christianity. It is a beautiful concept, and I appreciate what Christ has done for me, you, and all others. I never said I didn't believe this. I wanted to point out the logical contradictions with Christ having both mortal and immortal characteristics. How do you reconcile the these contradictions in your mind?

4. If Christ was at some point a (mortal) man, then He had to become (change [back] into) God (again).

Your response: you are trying to deny Jesus IS God by insinuating that He, God, could not become a man inside His creation!

See point #2 above. God is God. If he wants to appear as a man, that is His prerogrative. I don't place limits on Him. Do you?

5. When indeed did Christ make the transformation from mortal to immortal (man to God)?

Your response God in Christ is the second phase of His manifesting Himself in spacetime.

We agree on this point too. God is capable of manifesting himself as a human being. My question is not whether He can do this, but when did/does/will it happen?

So we're back to the original question, posed by P-Marlowe: Was Jesus Christ God from all eternity, or did he become a God at some point in time?

What is your answer? Did Jesus become a man and then a God again?

93 posted on 05/29/2008 9:15:48 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Jess Kitting
Not surprisingly, you tried to misquote to suit your agenda. Are you a mormon or merely an agitprop?

1. Jesus became a man. Your response: For The Son became a man inside the created universe. We agree on this point. The actual sentence reads, "Jesus IS God, as shown in John 1 and following. God, the God Who Created all things through The Son and For The Son became a man inside the created universe." You tried to mischaracterize my sentence to read only 'The Son became a man inside the created universe' when I stated clearly (as scripture teaches) that GOD became a man in the created universe ... and for your challenged mental frailty that means He was God and remained God while taking on the tent tabernacle of the flesh. The remainder of your effort isn't worth lending to it credulity by quoting it to point out the numerous mischaracterization holes. But that was a nice try and quite revealing.

Do you agree with Nietsche? Was God dead for a period of time? Or is He immortal? Maybe you want it both ways. You are beginning to sound like a Mormon here. Despite your oblique insult of inferring I'm sounding like a mormon, I will address Nietsche's flawed reasoning: Jesus has a Spirit, a soul of life force, and a body; when Jesus was crucified, the body died (and it was that which was brought into existence by the power of The Holy Spirit), but the Spirit which is The Life of the human species when imbued with God's Life never died thus He took up again the murdered body in resurrection. God no more died than He would die when a star goes nova and new stars eventually are formed from the previously exploded substance. Your a lightweight if you think quoting poor Nietsche will gain you any advantage. There is no contradiction when one level of a being dies without the whole being being dead ... you shed dead cells every day, and you remain alive throughout the process. But you gave it your best shot using circular reasoning. Does your mind function like that daily?

134 posted on 05/29/2008 10:41:41 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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