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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

“Each Catholic priest is said to have the power to call Jesus down from the right hand of the Father when he elevates the wafer and whispers the words “Hoc corpus meus est.”

First of all, please use the correct term. It is not a wafer, it is a HOST. The word host has a big difference in meaning from the word wafer.

Second - the priest calls down the Holy Spirit to transform the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. This is certainly logical, for if we Christians believe that a virgin, a young HUMAN woman can conceive in her womb the Son of God through the overpowering of the Holy Spirit, it then is also possible that the Holy Spirit can transform the host into the body of Christ.

The apostle, John, writes a gospel which is different in all aspects from the other three gospels, yet does not contradict them. John does not rely on a lot of miracles, but on the words of his Lord and Savior. It is up to us to determine whether Jesus was telling the truth, or was introducing confusion. The fact that Jesus was sad when many of the people turned away from him (in the 6th chapter of John), and asked his apostles whether they would also leave him, seems to indicate that Jesus was very serious about what He said.

People can agree or disagree with the meaning of the 6th chapter of the Gospel of John, but at the end of the gospel, the apostle, who was the closest apostle to Jesus and His Mother, Mary, specifically states that he has written his testimony so that everyone will know that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, so that all may have eternal life.


43 posted on 05/28/2008 3:09:44 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

I agree with your about the reason John’s Gospel was written - Amen!

Calling that wafer a “host” crosses the line for me - and others who bow not to the pope or the RCC. Unless one accepts what we consider a heretical interpretation of the text, that wafer is nothing more than a wafer. Unless it is a host to microscopic vermin.


45 posted on 05/28/2008 3:14:00 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Gumdrop

I agree with your about the reason John’s Gospel was written - Amen!

Calling that wafer a “host” crosses the line for me - and others who bow not to the pope or the RCC. Unless one accepts what we consider a heretical interpretation of the text, that wafer is nothing more than a wafer. Unless it is a host to microscopic vermin.

Also - the men RCs call “priests” have no authority to “call down” the Holy Spirit of God. And nowhere in Scripture is this magic show the Spirit allegedly performs even hinted at.


46 posted on 05/28/2008 3:15:05 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Gumdrop
"John does not rely on a lot of miracles, but on the words of his Lord and Savior."

In John, Jesus performs 7 major miracles. Virtually every one is either preceded or followed by a major discourse of Jesus which somehow relates to the miracle in question. Also, it is interesting to note the seven miracles performed by Jesus in the book of John are virtually identical to the seven miracles performed by the prophet Elisha in the book of 2 Kings.

47 posted on 05/28/2008 3:16:45 PM PDT by joebuck (Finitum non capax infinitum!)
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