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I would have gone with contempt but not loathing. In the good old days when people really knew how to insult, if you said you despised me it meant that I was beneath your notice, or almost beneath it. I, my opinions, or maybe my threats were just not worth your attention.

So you are older than Daniel Webster, eh???

And naturally, since I'm never sure what century I'm in, I was reading it in that sense, and figuring the Greek for that as well

I don't normally waste my time on the 'GREEK'...Likely that Greek word has multiple meanings so it depends on which translator you like to go with...

The translators of the King James Bible chose comtempt...And they no doubt looked at the context of Jesus' struggle in the Garden of Gethsemane

Luk 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

I'm very comfortable with the idea that Jesus had comtempt, loathing and I could say 'hate' for having to be subjected to the sin of the world...But then He knew He must do it to save us...

LOOKS weak; IS stronger than you can imagine.

I don't think it looks weak at all...Nor was it weak...

So it follows that when you say we are kind of keeping Him in shame, we're saying,"What? What 'keeping'? We're showing Him doing His stuff!"

Remembering what He did is one thing...Keeping Him there in the midst of that shame and NOT letting Him get off that cursed Cross is quite another...

Keeping Him there in the midst of that shame and NOT letting Him get off that cursed Cross is quite another...

No Crucifix can keep Him on the Cross. It is a depiction in bronze or wood or plastic. The figure is not Him, merely a likeness.

The kind of analysis I quoted just above in this post makes the Crucifix into some kind of voodoo doll.

So you are older than Daniel Webster, eh???

Oh yeah. He's a parvenu. I'm more interested in The Lancashire Poet and Chaucer and Shakespeare, though I've never tried Beowulf.

Seriously, I go to the OED for my words, though the American Heritage has good etymological stuff.

I don't normally waste my time on the 'GREEK'...Likely that Greek word has multiple meanings so it depends on which translator you like to go with...

Well I guess maybe don't think the time I spend on Greek is a waste. Maybe. And there's some very good work available. One day Kittel will be on line and, well, we'll never get anything done.

Keeping Him there in the midst of that shame and NOT letting Him get off that cursed Cross is quite another...

I guess we're going to have to get beyond the figurative speech, if you wouldn't mind. We're not "keeping" Him on the cross any more than the Marine Memorial is keeping any troops on that hill on Iwo Jima. They're both images, reconstructions, more or less imaginatively, of something that happened. The Iwo Jima monument recalls and honors a great and successful struggle. What is wrong with that? Do we dishonor the Marines by portraying their struggle? And, if nothing, then what is wrong with honoring and recalling THE great struggle?

In all straightforwarditude, I don't get it, not really.