CTrent1564, can you give us some insight to this?
>>Hey, you forgot THIS heresy...
Heresies have been with us from the Church’s beginning. They even have been started by Church leaders, who were then corrected by councils and popes. Fortunately, we have Christ’s promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church, for he told Peter, “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18).
The verse talks about a gate...And looking at the context of the verse, Hell already has some control over the church...Hell has the church locked in...But the gates of Hell that are holding the church WILL NOT PREVAIL...
How you ever got that YOUR church is infallible out of that verse is mind boggling...
You ever read about a church in Hell in the Scriptures???<<
by Iscool
I came into this thread rather late last night (I was watching the election returns and my wife was working on her Inter-session course she is taking), so I am not sure the entire context of the quote by Iscool.
I think more of the passage needs to read in the context of the entire passage, which is Peter’s confession that Christ is the “Son of God”. So if we look at it this way “And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (c.f. Matt16:18-19). So, the symbols of Keys and binding and loosing, which was given to St. Peter alone, are clearly a power given to St. Peter by Christ to lead and guide the Church. As for gates of hell, which Iscool used, while that can be translated in that way, other translations use the word “netherwold”, which is also an accurate translation of the Greek word “hades”, which meant the place of the Dead. So, being brought into the Church, which is Christ’s body, through Baptism, one is incorporated through God’s Grace into the Holy Trinity. So, even death itself will be overcome by those people who are brought into communion with God through the Christ and his Church.
In summary, I respectively, but also totally, disagree with Iscool’s post and interpretation of the passage he quoted.
Regards