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To: Mad Dawg; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; annalex; blue-duncan; Uncle Chip; OLD REGGIE; Alex Murphy; ...

It seems the case of Pope Honorius was raised somewhere back in this thread. As I have been away from this thread a while, I thought I would ping all those who seem to still be going strong after almost 1,100 posts. My post is somewhat long, but does try to address the Pope Honorius case directly.

The Monothelite Crisis was related to the Will of Christ, in that it was only a Divine Will. The passage from St. Luke 22: 39-42 (Mount of Olives” where Christ states “not my will, but thine, be done” was used to support the position. This heresy started in around 630 AD when the Patriarch of the Church at Constantinople, Patriarch Sergius, proposed the Monothelite formula as a theological position to reconcile the Monophysite’s and in particular the Monophysite Patriarch who was in charge at the former important Bishop/See in Antioch. The Church in Alexandria was also under the Monophysite’. . Remember, the Monophysite heresy was rejected at the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD under the orthodox leadership of Pope St. Leo the Great. Eventually, Alexandria, Antioch and Constantinople would sign and agreement recognizing the Monothelite formula.

Warren Carroll (A Catholic Historian) in “The Building of Christendom: A History of Christendom Vol. 2”, pp. 223-224 points out that in all of the discussions among Alexandria, Antioch and Constantinople, Rome was never consulted. Finally, in 633 AD a monk named Sophronius of Jerusalem (who would become Patriarch of Jerusalem in 634 AD) voiced disapproval of the Monothelite formula but this disapproval had not reached Rome by early 634 when a letter from Patriarch Sergius of Constantinople reached Pope Honorius. In his letter, Patriarch Sergius told the Pope that the Monothelite formula had helped reconcile the Monophysites and the important Churches of Alexandria and Antioch. The letter also acknowledged that there were objections from Jerusalem and that as Patriarch of Constantinople; he would drop the usage of the phrase “one operation/will” of Christ if others would drop the insistence of “two operations/wills” of Christ. Pope Honorius’s letter of reply stated that it was better to not debate the question of “one operation” or “two operations” in Christ at this time as in any case, there could be no opposing wills in him since he always did the will of his Father.

With respect to Pope Honorius’s letter, Carroll writes (p. 224) “Somehow, through linguistic or intellectual incapacity or a culpable carelessness or timidity, the Pope entirely missed the point that even to talk about a man without a human will is philosophical nonsense and doctrinal heresy. A man without a will is not a man. If Christ had no human will He was not a man, but God only, and the Monophysites were right.

Papal infallibility was not involved, because the error was not one of ex cathedra teaching binding on all Christians, but a dangerous failure to teach at a critical moment in a major theological controversy. Of such a failure, the Pope was clearly guilty. Forty seven years later, he was to be condemned for it-—The only Pope ever to suffer such a condemnation.”

Around 642 AD, the Monothelite heresy began to be supported by the emperors of Byzantine who saw it as a political tool to reconcile the Monophysite Christians, all of who lived in the Byzantine Empire that was now being challenged by Islam. All of Patriarch Sergius of Constantinople’s successors were Monotheletes. When Theodore, a Greek, became Bishop of Rome, he had the ability due to a knowledge of the language to understand clearly the Monothelite heresy, wrote a letter to the Patriarch of Constantinople stating Monotheleteism is heretical. Patriarch Paul of Constantinople reacted by throwing the Papal representatives in jail and destroying the Pope’s Church in Constantinople. In 649, Martin, who had been Pope Theodore’s legate to Constantinople, became Bishop of Rome (Pope). In 649, Pope Martin called a council to Rome to deal with the Monothelite heresy and some 105 Bishops came, including the Bishops from Jerusalem who read Patriarch Sophronius’s letters against the Monotheletes. The Council condemned Monotheleteism, all of its original proponents who had proposed the doctrine, and the current leader of it (Patriarch Paul) who had joined with the Byzantine emperors to push it in the Empire. Pope Honorius was not condemned in the Council.

Over the next 25 years, Monothelite doctrines where still held by Constantinople and the emperors, due to the need politically ally themselves with the Monophysites, as Islam and Byzantium were now fighting constantly. In 678, the Byzantine Emperor proposed to Pope Donus that a Council of the entire Church be called to finally resolve the Monothelite crisis. In 680, The Church of Rome in Holy week had a local Synod and reiterated the findings of the Western Council in 649 led by Pope Martin that had rejected the Monothelite formula and once again stated the Church of Rome’s position. So, even before the Council, two clear positions had been taken by the Church of Rome. The Pope sent a letter to the Emperor reminding him of the inerrancy of the Church of Rome “in teaching Doctrine” as it had never deviated from the orthodox Apostolic Tradition. By the time the Council in Constantinople ended in September 681 AD, some 174 Bishops were present. The proponents of the Monothelite formula were challenged to find evidence that “clearly supported there position”. All the letters from the Patriarch’s of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, etc, were presented, by a monk named Marcarius of Antioch, as well as the letter from Pope Honorius. However, the Patriarch’s of Constantinople had already been condemned by Rome in 649 AD and there was no statement of clear support in Pope Honorius’s letter; on the other hand, there was no clear rejection. As Carroll states, clearly Pope Honorius had left the matter open. So, the Council then included him on the list of heretics.

So some 40 years after his death, the Council condemned Pope Honorius personally, even though he had never taught the doctrine, and the Church of Rome, which condemned the Monotheletes way back in 649 AD, did not condemn him since he did not “Define anything”. So Pope St. Leo II, when the decrees of the Sixth Council at Constantinople (680-681 AD) were to be confirmed by the Pope, Pope Leo II made it clear to Bishops in Spain and the Emperor that the Church of Rome never “taught Monotheleteism” and that Pope Honorius “had not endorsed Patriarch Sergius’s Monothelite views”, but he only refrained from condemning them. As Warren Carroll notes (p. 254), when writing the Byzantine Emperor, Pope Honorius was condemned because “he permitted the immaculate faith to be subverted”. Carroll notes that when writing to the Spanish Bishops, Pope St. Leo II states “Honorius was condemned for not at once extinguishing the flames of heresy, but for fanning them by his negligence”.

Warren Carroll sums up the Monothelite crisis (p. 254) by stating “Despite all of this, the fact remains that no decree of a council has effect in the Catholic Church unless and until it is confirmed by the reigning Pope, and only in the form that he confirms it. There is no “supreme law” prescribing how the Pope shall designate his confirmation. Pope Honorius, therefore, was never condemned by heresy by the supreme Church authority, but only for negligence allowing heresy to spread and grow, when he should have denounced it.; for this is all Pope Leo II ever said in announcing the confirmation of the acts of the council and explaining to the bishops of the Western church and the Catholic Kings of the West the meaning of what he had confirmed.”

Jaroslav Pelikan in Volume 2 of The Christian Tradition: The Spirit of Eastern Christendom, which was written while he was a Protestant (Lutheran), also goes into the Monothelite crisis. Later in his life, Pelikan would enter into the Eastern Orthodox Church, which was the Church of his ancestors as he was of Slovakian and Serbian ancestry. Still, but he always hoped that West and East would re-unite and said as much when Pope John Paul II died. One gathers when reading his works, as I have, that his studies of Patristics brought about a respect for the Latin Church and Rome that he perhaps did not have as a Lutheran. His op-ed piece in the nytimes clearly expressed a desire for Rome and the East to return to Full Communion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/04/opinion/04pelikan.html?ex=1270267200&en=663197d39d729c94&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland

In the section of Volume 2 “The Orthodoxy of Old Rome” (pp. 148-150), Pelikan reminds his readers of the “supreme example of orthodoxy of Rome in the period covered in Volume 1, the Catholic Tradition”, and in particular the role of Pope St. Leo were at the Council of Chalcedon (451 AD) the council Fathers stated “Peter has spoken through Leo”. Pelikan further notes that Rome had been on the side that emerged victorious from one controversy after another, and eventually it became clear that the side which Rome chose was the one that would emerge victorious. In the two dogmatic issues that we have addressed thus far, the doctrine of the person of Christ and the question of images in the Church, the orthodoxy of Rome was a prominent element, in the first of these perhaps the decisive element (p. 150).

So Pelikan discusses the case of Pope Honorius in the context of the previous discussion I cited above. He notes, correctly, that the case of Pope Honorius, was considered the strongest obstacle to the definition of Papal Infallibility even at the time of Vatican I (1870 AD). Pelikan cites the same sources as Warren Carroll does and goes into the case of Pope Honorius in detail. Pelikan draws a conclusion similar to Carroll and writes (p. 151) “If we distinguish between Monoenergism, the doctrine of one action in Christ, and Monotheletism, the doctrine of one will in Christ, Honorius must be identified with the latter but not the former, while many, perhaps most, who held to either doctrine held to both. Pelikan note that when faced with the question of one action or two, he (Honorius) had stressed one agent, the Lord Jesus Christ, who carried out the divine as well as the human actions through the humanity that was united to the Logos. Pelikan further notes that the question of one action or two actions was insoluble and thus was ruled out of discussion. So by stating “one agent”, who is Christ, “one action” was not explicitly stated. So Pope Honorius’s actions were based on not making it seem like Christ had “two competing wills”. Still, his failure to clearly reject Monothelitism makes it possible to explain why he was a Monothelete, and not to deny that he was one. In sum, the Council of Constantinople in 681 condemned the letter Pope Honorius and the Patriarchs of Constantinople (e.g. Sergius) and then describes how Pope St. Leo, while not condemning Honorius, did state that he had allowed for the Monothelete heresy to pollute the Apostolic Faith.

Pelikan goes back and states, as Carroll noted, that Pope Martin in 649 AD had condemned the Monotheletes’ and Honorius was not on the list. So as Pelikan puts it, while Honorius had agreed with the Monotheletes (Carroll does not come to that conclusion), Pope Martin when he confirmed the decrees at the Council of Rome in 649 AD, he could state that the we (Church of Rome) “that is, the pontiffs of this apostolic see, have not permitted them to spread this [error], or to steal the treasure of the faith’ (p. 153). Pelikan states, the case of Honorius apart, Pope Martin’s claim for Old Rome was borne out by record. What Rome decided in opposition to Monotheletism, in 649 and again in 680, was what the orthodox, catholic, and ecumenical church decided, in council assembled, in 681. Peter was sill speaking through the mouth of the Pope (p. 154)

In closing, the evidence presented from both Warren Carroll and Jaraslov Pelikan supports the notion that Pope Honorius did not “condemn the Monothelete heresy” when he first found out about it, and he may have agreed with it personally (although we don’t know that for a fact). However, what we do know is the following: 1) Pope Honorius did not teach the Monothelete doctrine via a Papal Letter that demanded “Full assent of the entire Church and Faithful” or 2) Pope Honorius did not call a Synod or Council that taught the Monothelete doctrine. We also know that the Church of Rome, when it chose to speak, spoke definitively against it in 649 AD at the Western Council in Rome called by Pope Martin and again at a Synod of Rome during Holy Week in 680 AD, some 6 months before the Council of Constantinople started in the fall of 680.

Finally (and I am speaking as a loyal son of Rome and make no apologies for it), thanks for the opportunity for me to show that Christ’s promises to St. Peter (Mt. 16:16-19) and his specific prayers for St. Peter, “I have prayed for you that your faith many not fail and when you have been converted, confirm your brethren” (c.f. Luke 22: 32) and commands for St. Peter to “Feed my sheep” (c.f. John 21: 17) as recorded in Sacred Scripture are still true today as the orthodox faith of the Apostles, which came from Christ, is still being protected and defended by the successor of St. Peter, currently Pope Benedict XVI. Using the language of the Council at Chalcedon (451 AD), “Peter is still speaking today through Pope Benedict.”


1,054 posted on 05/27/2008 10:45:08 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564
Please don't include me on your looong cut-and-paste posts.

Links generally suffice.

1,056 posted on 05/27/2008 10:51:09 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: CTrent1564

Some folks are not going to enjoy so thorough and comprehensive a post. It tends to put the lie to their distortions. Then too, their lips get tired just reading it.


1,058 posted on 05/27/2008 10:56:17 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: CTrent1564

Just as an aside...IIRC Warren Carroll (whom you mention as a “Catholic historian”) is a convert to the Catholic Church. Perhaps someone can verify this for me.

I was privileged to attend one of his seminars on Church history quite a few years ago. It was an extraordinary
seminar, as he is an excellent speaker and very knowledgable.

His wife has some fine books to her credit as well.


1,059 posted on 05/27/2008 10:56:47 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: CTrent1564; Mad Dawg; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; annalex; blue-duncan; Uncle Chip; Alex Murphy
"The most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do." ~Thomas Jefferson
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I'll try to be brief.

Do I understand you correctly that it is difficult if not impossible to declare the findings of any of the older Ecumenical Councils or Popes to be "infallible because the formulatic definition of "infallibility" was unknown to them?

An equally brief reply would be appreciated.

1,073 posted on 05/27/2008 11:48:02 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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