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To: annalex
The human race was already raised to extraordinary heights by God becoming Man. So why not go one step further and give Mary this awesome responsibility of being a vessel through which all grace can flow?

Problem is; God did not do this...The Catholic church is that which elevated Mary...

The amazing thing is that God would use human beings like that (by extension, any of us) at all. But He chose to do so. And if Mary can be Theotokos and if all of us can potentially be vessels of grace (like a pipe serves to bring water: having no intrinsic relation to the water and not "producing" it at all), how is it implausible for her to be chosen by God to participate in His redemptive plan as an entirely secondary, not intrinsically necessary agent?

It's implausable because there is no need for it...God never said He needs Mary to dispense Grace...God never said He would use Mary to be a conduit for Grace...

Your church has 'made this up' to glorify Mary...

Looking thru the entire article, I see hardly any mention of Jesus the Christ...It's all Mary and the church...

In fact, the only times Jesus Christ is mentioned in this Catholic sales pitch, it is in the negative...

It may be difficult and painful and hurtful, for sure, but no one ever promised that following Jesus was a bed of roses.

Protestants often have pet phrases and things repeated over and over ("praise God," "hallelujah," "thank you Jesus," "glory to God," etc.).

PET PHRASES??????

I was a "Jesus Freak" who spent most of my time worshiping God in free-form, spontaneous worship services (often with rock music).

You're far better off being a 'Jesus Freak' than a repetitious Mary moaner...

Obviously, we could not oppose formula per se because that would take out the Bible as well. Protestant "chanting" of verses like John 3:16 could very well come under the same criticism.

And for those of you that have forgotten John 3:16,

oh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There's God's plan of Salvation and the Catholics call it 'Protestant chanting'...

I only hope you (if you decide to cross over) are not disappointed with our own share of nonsense and ludicrosity, on the human level, in the Catholic Church.

They sure hit the nail on the head on that one...

Read the article closely...You have a choice...Mary, or Jesus...

12 posted on 05/13/2008 6:49:47 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
You have a choice...Mary, or Jesus...

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We choose both.

13 posted on 05/13/2008 6:57:28 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Iscool
Problem is; God did not do this...The Catholic church is that which elevated Mary...

Really? So God had nothing to do with the Virigin Birth? That really Iscool.

It's implausable because there is no need for it...God never said He needs Mary to dispense Grace...God never said He would use Mary to be a conduit for Grace...

The article isn't saying God needed Mary to do His work - it says He CHOSE Mary. Grace came into this world through Christ. Christ came into the world through Mary. C'mon now.

16 posted on 05/13/2008 7:06:51 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Iscool
Your church has 'made this up' to glorify Mary

Why, I just gave a list of places where the Gospel glorifies Mary, in my previous post. It is true, of course, that it is the Church who wrote these same gospels in the first place, so yeah, in that sense, guilty as charged...

36 posted on 05/13/2008 10:20:18 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Iscool

Right on, Iscool.


103 posted on 05/14/2008 11:39:39 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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