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The Hypocrisy of Catholic Answers [Mormons taking 150.000 Catholics a year?]
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2008/05/hypocrisy-of-catholic-answers.html ^ | 10 May, 2008 | Carrie at Beggars All

Posted on 05/10/2008 9:14:50 AM PDT by Ottofire

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To: ears_to_hear
All the kid can talk about is how much money he will get, not one word about Jesus or faith.

How many kids of any denomination need to be reminded Christmas isn't about presents?

This is an indictment of materialism and consumerism, not Catholicism.

21 posted on 05/10/2008 10:29:27 AM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: ears_to_hear
We have a neighborhood child making his “first communion” today. We are invited to the party following. All the kid can talk about is how much money he will get, not one word about Jesus or faith. This is why the Catholic church has fallen into 2nd place behind Islam as the largest religion.

The problem is that the church, in its desire to gain/keep adherents, long ago said that you were a Catholic so long as you were confirmed, etc. So you have all these people who were born catholic, went through the routines, but never really studied or were indoctrinated into the faith. The Church would be better off if it was smaller but all of its members were believers.

22 posted on 05/10/2008 10:30:55 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: Ottofire
I don't think so. Article of Faith number 12 states:

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

So, you can see why most of us aren't Democrats! ;-)

23 posted on 05/10/2008 10:32:14 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: x

“FACT: Each year, the Mormon church baptizes 300,000 converts. (That’s 800 a day—or another million every three years.) Half are former Catholics.”

Is that in the US or worldwide?

And are we talking about actually living, breathing people?

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Baptism for the Dead is a vicarious gift and we in the Temporal world have no say over those on the other side of the vail if they accept the gift or not!

So the conversion would be those living and breathing here on earth!


24 posted on 05/10/2008 10:33:49 AM PDT by restornu (The Opposition spends all its time "playing goalie" hoping others will not READ the BOOK OF MORMON!)
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To: fproy2222

I wish not to contend with our follow Catholic only to clarify some points of misconception.


25 posted on 05/10/2008 10:37:45 AM PDT by restornu (The Opposition spends all its time "playing goalie" hoping others will not READ the BOOK OF MORMON!)
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To: x

The numbers are suspect.

But whatever the true numbers are, it is worldwide. Mostly in poor countries where the majority of converts fall away within 2 years.


26 posted on 05/10/2008 10:45:59 AM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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To: ears_to_hear

Sounds like the kid has a family problem, not a religion one. I have had two go through first communion and neither got any money. They got communion. It was important to them and they behaved like it was important to them. I went through first communion and I remember how big of a deal it was. Never got a penny for it though. Sounds like the neighborhood kid needs to wake up.


27 posted on 05/10/2008 10:46:21 AM PDT by coon2000
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To: Ottofire
A LD Saint that actually can say they are not traditional Christian is a rare bird!

I have no problem with people or me saying I am not a traditional Christian, or unorthodox Christian. My problem is when people say I'm not a Christian at all because I am LDS.

28 posted on 05/10/2008 10:52:13 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Ottofire; greyfoxx39; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; ...

Ping!


29 posted on 05/10/2008 10:53:52 AM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ottofire

Jesus suffered and died for me to save me from my sins. I am a Mormon and I am not ashamed.


30 posted on 05/10/2008 10:59:09 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Domandred
"My problem is when people say I'm not a Christian at all because I am LDS."

Because you're LDS, you're going to Hell.

Repent! Awake! Reject Satan's lies before it's too late!

Better?

31 posted on 05/10/2008 11:04:06 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: ears_to_hear

Oh and I suppose no child related to you has ever gotten so excited about Christmas presents that they forgot the reason for Christmas?


32 posted on 05/10/2008 11:07:58 AM PDT by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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To: narses

Ping


33 posted on 05/10/2008 11:15:00 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Plea to mormon FReepers, "DONT HOSE ME, BRO!")
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To: Ottofire

“Note the hypocrisy of Catholic Answers when comparing the two “P.S.”s of the two campaigns. In the first campaign Protestants are brethren whose opinion is consulted, in the second they are “anti-Catholics” with “slick propaganda” that must be thwarted. I have seen this conflicting attitude many times so it is worth pointing out.”


There is nothing hypocritical about that, those are two different subjects, one is a common cause that they both share and the other is largely the reason that they are two separate groups.

Since they are two sides of the same coin there is much they will share together and still not become one perfect, single, organization of Christians.


34 posted on 05/10/2008 11:20:21 AM PDT by ansel12 (Unfortunately, son, we 'Utahans' sometimes have to bend the rules a little in order to hold our own.)
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To: Ottofire
Catholics are targeted by Mormons because many Catholics can be swayed easily by Mormon arguments.

They're not just targeted by Mormons. If you look at any JW arguments re the Trinity, you'll see that JW apologetics are also targeted towards Catholics.

That’s because many Catholics don’t know their own faith.

Many? I daresay a majority don't know their own faith, or don't take it seriously. How many Catholics practice birth control, or vote Democrat? Or don't attend mass regularly? These would be the likely converts that Mormonism is picking up. Our FRCatholic friends will respond by telling us those people "aren't really Catholic" or have "excommunicated themselves." Since they're not "really Catholic" anyway, you'd think there would be no reason to persuade them to stay.

But Catholic Answers disagrees - the uninformed, uninvolved, and easily swayed are "really Catholic", and CA wants them back...

"...With our new special report on Mormonism, we can “inoculate” Catholics from the half-truths and skewed history presented by Mormon missionaries.

By getting this report into the hands of Catholics all across America, we can bolster the faith of Catholics and keep them from leaving the Church."

35 posted on 05/10/2008 11:25:17 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: fproy2222

Personally, I’m with President Hinckley’s feelings on the matter. Better an active Baptist than an inactive Mormon. People should worship in the way that they think will bring them closest to God, and ultimately salvation. For me, that is the LDS church, for others, it is the Catholic church, the Lutheran church, the Baptist church, etc. We are all responsible for our own decisions in this life. I think the honest seeker will not be disappointed in the day of judgement.


36 posted on 05/10/2008 11:25:58 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: Domandred

“I have no problem with people or me saying I am not a traditional Christian, or unorthodox Christian. My problem is when people say I’m not a Christian at all because I am LDS. “


All Christendom says that Mormonism is not Christian, it is a question that knows no diversity among Christian churches.


37 posted on 05/10/2008 11:27:37 AM PDT by ansel12 (Unfortunately, son, we 'Utahans' sometimes have to bend the rules a little in order to hold our own.)
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To: Ottofire
Google has lots of references to Sheep stealing

Since most Mormons are from the US, I assume that most of that is here.

The majority of Mormons are now outside of the US. I'd guess most of the sheep stealing is in south and central America. Certainly not in Europe!

38 posted on 05/10/2008 11:31:46 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: Ottofire
It isn't infallible. Nothing like that.

The Second Vatican Council (1963-5) was not intended to be an infallible doctrinal council but was conceived as a “pastoral” renewal of the Church

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Because pastoral pronouncements are neither "true" nor "false", and because they must be expressed in language that is vague and ambiguous, they cannot be the subject of infallibility. Thus it follows that the Holy Ghost simply cannot be solemnly invoked at a strictly pastoral Council, because the pastoral pronouncements could not be infallible anyway. All pastoral pronouncements, even those of Ecumenical Councils which are partly doctrinal and partly pastoral, form part of the Church's day to day Ordinary Magisterium. Thus, what is taught in a pastoral pronouncement is not assured to be infallible.

39 posted on 05/10/2008 11:32:35 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Reaganesque; Ottofire
So, you can see why most of us aren't Democrats! ;-)

One of your most famous apologists was. As his obituary read in the Salt Lake Tribune,

"A die-hard Democrat in conservative Utah County, he spoke out on controversial and unpopular topics like the futility of loyalty oaths in the midst of the McCarthy hearings and the Vietnam War."

40 posted on 05/10/2008 11:34:45 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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