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To: sevenbak

Hi sevenbak,
I’m glad that you do, but since Jesus is come in flesh, the Head of Days is seen only in the face of Jesus, who is “God SEEN“, alone and only, and who was always with the “UNSEEN Father” as God the Word.
And the Son of Man is the “the other same self” -an alter ego- of God the Word, who was hidden in God, the Great Glory, from the beginning, and in whose image to come Adam is made [Romans 5:14; Genesis 1:26-28].
There is no other Person/Face in YHWH who is ever to be seen, has ever been seen, and shall ever be seen, than the Great Glory -God the Word/Oath- who is now come in flesh of second human being creation as our Kinsman/Redeemer [because He wants His own back, for the Glory].
The Holy Spirit ‘appeared’ in the form of a Smoking Furnace, in Genesis 17, with the Word appearing in the form of the Burning Light; and the two Persons in YHWH did so appear to legally ratify the land covenant given to Abraham [which is an everlasting covenant and cannot be broken by any man; Israel, the seed of Abraham through Isaac, gets the land, and God gets the Glory for it].
The Holy Spirit also appeared in the form of a dove, at Jesus’ baptism, but the Holy Spirit does not dwell in that ‘form’, nor does Christ ‘dwell’ in the burning Light form, as seen in the Bush, the pillar of fire, and as the Arrow of God sent forth. The face of God is seen in the Son of Man who is come, did die, did ascend, and did get the Glory back, which He had “with the Father” before the world was, as the Great Glory, seen by Enoch, who stripped Himself bare naked of that Glory, and came to appear to all nations as the Son of Man who was with God, was God, and is God the Creator and who made all things, upholds all things, and offers redemption back ,to the Father by adoption into His own second Man name, for all in Adam -for the Glory.

Jesus is the same Person seen Hidden as another same self of the Great Glory, pre-incarnation, seen by Enoch, alone, in heaven, who was to come down, die, and ascend, redeeming those who call upon His name, and by that, becoming united with Him, whom He then unites with the Father -and heaven, for the Glory.

Jhn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him].
His face is the only face of YHWH visible, and He is now come in flesh forever, of the second human being Creation, to build a temple of adopted souls for the Glory to indwell forever, in the regeneration [which is what Adam’s purpose was for and why Adam was made male and female -Genesis 5:2, in Hebrew], and which is what Adam lost in the defilement and can never attain.

Once defiled for the Glory the Adam flesh is forever unfit for restoration, but must be elementally changed and regenerated in the image of the second Man to receive the Glory which he was formed for, as Adam, son of God -of the human kind. That lesson is in Leviticus [as an oracle of the law] on the defilement of clay vessels used for the glory in the temple, and in Haggai chapter 2, in the parable of the first and second house built for the Glory, and the lesson of an unclean vessel defiling any offering brought before the Glory. Only the second “vessel”, made for the Glory could bring any acceptable offering before the Glory, which is why Adam is out/cut off forever before the face of God in the 8th day of creation [which is the lesson in circumcision which Abraham’s descendents wear in their flesh, until that is fulfilled], and Israel [the name of the second Man; Isaiah 49] is the bearer of the Glory, and exists before the Face of God forever. To have the Glory we must be born again in Christ. In Adam all die, in Christ all are made alive [whosever will].

This is all in direct opposition to the false teaching of Mormonism, but this is the doctrine of the Person and Word of God come in human being flesh, as second creation Man.

Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Isa 52:10 YHWH stripped bare naked/chasaph his holy arm [the Branch] in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation/Yeshua of our God.

chasaph 1) to strip, strip off, lay bare, make bare, draw out
a) (Qal)
1) to strip off
2) to strip, lay bare

Phl 2:5¶Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Look at that passage in the Greek http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Phl&chapter=2&verse=7&version=KJV#7
He was in the form of God the Great Glory, and stripped Himself of that Glory, and came in the likeness of sinful flesh [but without the sin, as a second Man].

Look at Isaiah 59, in the Hebrew. YHWH donned the garments of an ‘Isyh -translated as ‘man’ and is what Adam [which is also translated as man] was mde to be, over earth], to bring forth the justice for earth that there was no ‘Isyh living, to do, and came as our Kinsman to do the Justice for earth and to redeem the lost and the kingdom, back for Himself.


1,419 posted on 05/15/2008 8:37:15 AM PDT by prayforpeaceofJerusalem
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To: prayforpeaceofJerusalem

Selah!


1,424 posted on 05/15/2008 10:09:15 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: prayforpeaceofJerusalem

Actually, we honor Enoch as one of the most faithful prophets in history. He was shown much, and used the Priesthood to do great things for Jehovah and mankind.

You might find this of interest.

Enoch:
What Modern Scripture Teaches

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=4c4557b60090c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1


1,439 posted on 05/16/2008 1:16:55 PM PDT by sevenbak (1 Corinthians 2:14)
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