Posted on 05/07/2008 4:39:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
I think the better question is the one asked in the title:
Why do Catholics prefer Clinton to Obama?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This Catholic prefers neither.
It doesn't take much of listening to Wright to realize that Obama's church has nothing to do with Christianity.
Clinton makes some hollow claims to having faith, but she's managed to keep them from becoming too controversial.
I don’t know. Why do Evangelicals prefer Clinton (or Obama)? There certainly has been enough articles this year indicating that Evangelicals are moving to the Demoncrat party so I am sure they are supporting one or the other.
The better question would be....why would ANYBODY support either of them?
The better question is why do catholics prefer democrats?
"Democrats for the workin' man."
I think on evangelicals, knowing a bunch of them who lean left, it is that the republicans don’t stress enough being active in social areas. What I mean is, republicans do stress personal responsibility and small government, etc., but they aren’t perceived as then going out and trying to help people who really do need it. If we (R’s) could show at the same time that government is not the answer, but that people doing things to help others VOLUNTARILY is - we’d overtake the dems in a heartbeat.
Another for instance, my wife is pro choice, but she always says it is because you can’t just stop abortions without addressing the other societal problems. So on one hand, yeah, the argument that they are wrong should work, but realistically, people don’t think like that. It would have to be this 1) abortions are wrong and should be illegal; and 2) we (NOT GOV’T) should do something to help people not be in a position where they feel like they need to have one. R’s (myself included) tend to pretty much just stop at 1, because that is logical. But we have to convince people’s touchy feely parts too.
You could actually say the same thing for Catholics...exactly the same thing.
Talk about "the kind of policies that could reduce the number of abortions" is a smoke screen. It means more welfare.
Also, there's a class angle. Obama gets those Ned Lamont trust-fund types, so working-class Democrats figure that Hillary has to be better.
I wonder how big the difference is and whether Hillary's massive popularity among older women who vote Democratic may not have a lot to do with her lead among Catholics in Democrat primaries.
Another thing I would point out is that the more “churched” one is the more likely they’ll be conservative. I know that Catholics who support demoncrat candidates (and I would bet Evangelicals too) are much less likely to be regular Mass attendees and much less likely to be involved with their faith.
This Catholic prefers “none of the above” to Clinton, Obama, and pretty much every other national Democratic pol.
I can’t understand how any Catholic can vote for any one in the rat party actually. I did see a segment this morning very early that showed that Obama was picking up more Catholics of late.
The Republicans have religiously fought for pro-life measures, for a seat for people of faith at the table, for traditional marriage, for law and order, for peace in the world, etc.
- all causes that the RC church SHOULD recognize as their causes.
Are they that calloused??
Obama and Clinton fail the grade in each and every point.
Scant attention was paid to spelling, evidently.
Historically, Ethnic Catholic Voters such as those Americans of Italian/Sicilian ancestry (like my family), Irish, Polish (like my wife’s family), German-Bavarians, etc were loyal Democrats. For example, JFK, an Irish-Catholic received 80% of the Catholic vote in the 1960 election. Fourty-four years later in 2004, John Kerry, also an Irish-Catholic from MA recieved 47% of the Catholic vote. So, what has happened is a gradual shift towards more conservative politics over the time period since 1960.
Why Catholic voters in Midwest states, who tend to be old line Union Catholic voters support CLinton over Obama is an interesting question for this Dem primary. However, a more interesting question is where do Catholic voters go for the General? I think in a McCain vs. Obama, McCain picks up at least what Bush did in 2004 (53%) and perhaps more.
Fixed it for you, Alex!
Catholics don’t buy into guilt politics. They are born with original sin, so they have more experience with handling guilt.
Well if Catholics are born “with original sin”, the proper terminology, and since Catholics are human persons (at least I think we are still recognized as such as the Supreme Court has not taken that away from us), is it not accurate to say that all humanity is born into orginal sin, and not just Catholics.
Regards
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