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Bill Donohue: Over the line?
dotCommonweal ^ | David Gibson

Posted on 05/03/2008 6:58:15 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

Bill Donohue may not be tired of the culture wars–or internecine Catholic wars. The head of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights is often over the top in denunciations of anti-Catholicism, real or perceived, and of other Catholics who Donohue sees as not toeing the proper Catholic line. But even Donohue may have outdone himself, and done in his own organization, if his latest press release prompts an IRS investigation.

The May 2 release is “Catholic Dissidents Advise Obama,” and it draws down on Obama’s Catholic National Advisory Committee, which includes several Commonwealers, such as Cathleen Kaveny and Grant Gallicho. It also includes Catholics in public and religious life, ranging from Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania to the Sister of St. Joseph, Sr. Catherine Pinkerton. Also included are more than a few writers and theologians whose work I have long admired. Point of disclosure: I have also known Bill Donohue for years, and while I think he is completely wrongheaded many times, and inimical to the church’s well-being other times, he can also be a good guy to have a beer with, as well as someone who does not run from an argument, and an advocate who can point out indisputable cases of anti-Catholicism that still persist.

That said, this latest blast is way outta line. Donohue not only labels these Obama-advising Catholics as “dissidents” but he says “Practicing Catholics have every right to be insulted by Obama’s advisory group”–setting up Catholics who back Obama as bad Catholics and opponents of Obama, by implication, as good Catholics. Donohue employs his favorite trick of the invidious–and distorting–comparison, saying he wouldn’t have gay advisors who “don’t reflect the sentiment of the gay community”–as if these Obama-backers don’t reflect Catholic opinion. (In fact, they largely do. Not that this should be about public opinion, no?)

In his closing, Donohue takes a real potshot, saying that “If these are the best ‘committed Catholic leaders, scholars and advocates’ Obama can find, then it is evident that he has a ‘Wright’ problem when it comes to picking Catholic advisors.” As if these Catholics–check out the list–are the equivalent of Jeremiah Wright…!

But let me dissect this a bit more analytically. I see four chief problems.

One is that Donohue bases his criticism of these dozens of advisors principally on the “scores” that the abortion rights group NARAL gives some of the political figures on the committee (conveniently not mentioning the presence of Democrats Bob Casey and Tim Roemer, also on Obama’s committee, who have taken stands against abortion rights in many cases). Donohue also states that Obama’s pol pals do not agree with the church’s “three major public policy issues: abortion, embryonic stem cell research and school vouchers.” That is a rather selective list, in that the bishops’ own statement on political participation, titled “Faithful Citizenship,” lists seven principal policy areas, and they include “Option for the Poor and Vulnerable,” “Dignity of Work and the Rights of Workers,” and “Caring for God’s Creation.” Not to mention the church’s opposition to the Iraq War, which John McCain wants to continue.

Indeed, while Donohue has criticized McCain’s alliance with the rock-ribbed televangelist and preacher of standard anti-Catholic rhetoric, John Hagee, he has not brought similar scrutiny to McCain’s own Catholic advisory board.

And that raises the second problem, which was noted by the liberal group, Catholics United, namely that Donohue’s apparent partisanship could jeopardize the League’s 501c3 non-profit status. Catholics United also cites passages from “Onward Christian Solders,” a new book by Deal Hudson–a longtime GOP advisor–that show how Donohue has been active in helping the Bush White House and the Republican Party woo the Catholic vote.

This adds up to a big potential problem for Donohue. Yet it also adds up to a big payday for him. As the League’s publicly-available financial forms show, Donohue takes in a whopping $343,000 a year in salary and compensation. He can rightly claim that he has turned the League from a penny-ante mom-and-pop shop into the $20-million-dollar a year culture war machine that it is. But while few would disagree with fighting anti-Catholicism, I wonder how many will see Donohue as getting rich off anti-Catholicism.

A final point: Pope Benedict XVI, who Donohue spares no effort to defend, even when the pontiff is not under attack, made an explicit call during last month’s visit for Catholics to seek unity, not division. I’m not sure how Donohue’s internecine and potentially partisan sniping achieves that end, or even how attacking other Catholics connects with fighting anti-Catholicism.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Judith Anne; Fichori; 1000 silverlings; Quix
Do you really believe no Catholic has ever said Protestants shouldn't be posting Catholic threads?

I post on Catholic threads about once every Blue Moon and when I do, more often than not I'm told to shove off by someone.

Ok, my style is to rub people the wrong way, but I do think that some people need to either get thicker skins or find a Catholics Only Forum where they can post without fear that someone might question either their doctrine, their practices or their sanity.

This is supposed to be an OPEN FORUM. Those who are so easily offended by either challenges or levity, should seek refuge from somewhere other than the Free Republic Abuse Button.

481 posted on 05/10/2008 12:01:32 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Judith Anne; Fichori; 1000 silverlings; Quix; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy
(Dr E:) Why should they complain about non-catholics posting non-caucus threads?

You're misquoting me, Judith. I didn't make that statement; Fichori made that statement in post 431 (and I know you consider yourself a stickler for accuracy.)

This is one of the problems with not discussing the topic at hand, but continually going back and back and back over the same old you said/he said/she said territory.

It gets old really fast, and mistakes are made, as you just did.

482 posted on 05/10/2008 12:02:42 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: P-Marlowe

AMEN.


483 posted on 05/10/2008 12:04:11 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg
Well that is so true Marlowe, so what is the real reason for the supposed indignations? There are many threads where they can get their fill of debate and intense theological discussion. Then there are the Catholic caucus threads where they can post away to their hearts content and no one will challenge them on error, or anything else. Then there are threads where they can troll along looking for real and imagined, excuses to be outraged. If you notice, some will spend all off their time on one or another.
484 posted on 05/10/2008 12:09:25 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: P-Marlowe
"Catholics Only Forum" [excerpt]

That would be a catholic caucus.

There is no sniping allowed from caucus threads however. ;)

You can read about caucus threads on the Religion Moderators homepage.

485 posted on 05/10/2008 12:09:53 AM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: Fichori

486 posted on 05/10/2008 12:12:08 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Yes, it is very very funny.

I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT YOU BELIEVE.I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I BELIEVE ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS, AND WHY I BELIEVE THEY ARE WRONG AND MINE ARE SCRIPTURAL.

It is an odd hobby. I can't imagine spending so much of my time telling people why they are wrong and I am right. Especially, when much of what I believe that they believe is based on misunderstanding or willful ignorance. I think it is all satire. Many of you posters who enjoy tweaking the RC's remind me of Borat. Not everyone appreciated or comprehended his sense of humor. But that is the nature of satire. One either laughed at Borat or mistook him for an idiot of epic proportion.

487 posted on 05/10/2008 12:14:27 AM PDT by LordBridey
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To: LordBridey
And yet you're here.

How very puzzling.

488 posted on 05/10/2008 12:16:04 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Why should they complain about non-catholics posting non-caucus threads?

AMEN!

443 posted on Saturday, May 10, 2008 1:10:48 AM by Dr. Eckleburg

I replied to you, in this post #443, in my post 452. You just can't keep it straight. Fichori posted the original comment, but I responded to your "AMEN." If we can't trust Protestants to keep little things straight, why should we think you can do the big things (like interpret Scripture) any better?

489 posted on 05/10/2008 12:17:26 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Judith Anne
Your use of the italics implied I made the statement which I did not (not that I wouldn't have happily done so.)

Keep defending the indefensible. Apparently it's a habit hard to break.

490 posted on 05/10/2008 12:19:22 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: LordBridey
One either laughed at Borat or mistook him for an idiot of epic proportion.

No reason they can't do both.

491 posted on 05/10/2008 12:21:23 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Judith Anne; LordBridey; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe

Yet the deeper reality was that he was Jewish, pretending to be Arabic, and making fun of people making fun of Jews. the whole thing was a touch bizarre, and not in the least funny, or would you not agree?


492 posted on 05/10/2008 12:24:55 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Your use of the italics implied I made the statement which I did not (not that I wouldn't have happily done so.)

Are you really not understanding? I replied to YOUR post. YOU had it in italics.

I guess it's true, then, what I've been told. I didn't want to believe that about anyone...

Show's over, folks.

493 posted on 05/10/2008 12:26:15 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: Judith Anne
Judith, try to pay attention...

You wrote --

(Dr E:) Why should they complain about non-catholics posting non-caucus threads?

And you put those words in italics which clearly looks like you are offering a statement I had made.

I did not make that statement. I said "Amen" to that statement. Fichori made that statement in post 431.

Now it's over.

494 posted on 05/10/2008 12:30:27 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And yet you're here.

I am here. I enjoy reading a lot of the articles posted here, and think a lot of the comments of posters can be edifying and entertaining....and funny. I am not here to tell others what I think they believe and then attempt to prove them wrong. I would come across as a complete moron, if I did that.

495 posted on 05/10/2008 12:33:56 AM PDT by LordBridey
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And I said: “That did not happen,” and it didn’t.


496 posted on 05/10/2008 12:35:29 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: LordBridey

ROFL!!!!


497 posted on 05/10/2008 12:36:15 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Don't just do something! Stand there!)
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To: LordBridey; 1000 silverlings
I am not here to tell others what I think they believe

Great. That makes two of us. I said the very same thing in the post you partially quoted of mine.

I would come across as a complete moron, if I did that.

You certainly would.

498 posted on 05/10/2008 12:38:01 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne
Yes, we all heard you the first time you said that, Judith.

Sorry you didn't see the post. It was posted, however.

499 posted on 05/10/2008 12:39:29 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne; Dr. Eckleburg
If you edit your posts by hand(HTML), you can quote someone in a blockquote like this:

<blockquote>
<i>
then you put what you are quoting in here

</i>
</blockquote>

And it will look like this:
then you put what you are quoting in here



You can also nest multiple blockquotes:

<blockquote>
<i>
<blockquote>
Person A said this

</blockquote>
Person B quotes person A

</i>
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And then you quote both


Which would look like this:
Person A said this

Person B quotes person A

And then you quote both


Hope that helps.
500 posted on 05/10/2008 12:39:37 AM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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