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To: blue-duncan
Nice verse-slinging. Wrong interpretation, of course.

Ananias "laid hands" on Paul to restore his sight (which is the other major use of the "laying on of hands" in the Church).

“Then after three years I went to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days” (you forgot vs 19, “But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother”)."

So?? It is obvious from the main context that he specifically went to Jerusalem TO SEE PETER, and that any interaction he had with James was incidental.

"Three times, Paul has had hands laid” on him; Ananias, prophets and teachers at Antioch; and James, Cephas, and John. The first two were not Apostles yet they were recognition of the Holy Spirit's calling on Paul's life and Paul ministered after that recognition. The “right hand of fellowship” was no different than the two previous recognitions."

Cute trick with the re-arrangement of the time-line. The "laying on of hands" by the Apostles happened before that of the "prophets and teachers at Antioch", and was the one that conferred ordination, as they were the ones with the authority to do so.

"As far as Peter founding any churches there is no evidence he did. He disappears after his hypocrisy is exposed to the Jerusalem church in Acts 15 and when Paul mentions that all have forsaken him in his last letter to Timothy, just before his death, if Peter was in Rome at the time, his abandoning Paul in his time of need, is symptomatic of what he did in Jesus’ time of need."

Uh, did you forget Antioch, which Peter DEFINITELY founded?? And the understanding of the Church is that Peter was killed BEFORE Paul. Being dead hardly constitutes "abandonment".

And, as I predicted, you totally blew off the historical evidence (archaeological) showing conclusively that Peter was in Rome, taught in Rome, and died in Rome.

885 posted on 05/06/2008 5:48:27 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog
“Cute trick with the re-arrangement of the time-line. The “laying on of hands” by the Apostles happened before that of the “prophets and teachers at Antioch”, and was the one that conferred ordination, as they were the ones with the authority to do so.”

Well, Acts 12 says Herod Agrippa died before the Antioch laying on of hands. Josephus reports he died in A. D. 44. Paul's first missionary journey began between 46-47 A.D. Paul was in Arabia for three years after his conversion and then spent one year at Antioch. Galatians 2 says he went up to Jerusalem after 14 years.

It is impossible for for your scenario to have taken place. Paul was sent out by the church at Antioch before his visit to Jerusalem mentioned in Galatians 2.

“Uh, did you forget Antioch, which Peter DEFINITELY founded??”

Acts 11:19-26, “Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.

21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord. Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch. Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.

For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord. Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”

I see the persecuted “men of Cyprus and Cyrene”, and Barnabas and Saul, but I don't see Peter mentioned. Where do you find Peter founding the church at Antioch?

901 posted on 05/06/2008 6:52:48 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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