[papertyger]

can people “lose” their salvation or is it just, as the Baptists believe, that they never really HAD it to begin with but it just looked like it

Sounds like blaming the victim to me. If they tell him doing x, y, and z, will guarantee salvation...how can they then tell him doing q thirty years later proves he never did x, y, or z in the first place?

Heads they win. Tails you lose.

[Paved Paradise]

On this, I’d have to agree with you. Of course, there is scripture to support both points.