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To: roamer_1
It is my suggestion that Mary's personal state of existence had nothing whatsoever to do with her being 'most blessed among women' prior to the tiding brought to her by Gabriel. It was those good tidings which made her blessed, that she of all women was destined to bring forth the Savior of all mankind.

That is certainly a part of it. But it defies reason to believe that Mary could be most "blessed" without being created without sin. Knowing God has this power and knowing Mary would be the mother of Jesus, why would Jesus not honor His mother by creating her this way?

Furthermore, the very understanding of Original Sin being a lack of a relationship with God becomes muddled if we are to consider a woman with God in her womb who simultaneously lacks a relationship with God. It does not follow.

774 posted on 05/05/2008 6:23:47 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
[...] But it defies reason to believe that Mary could be most "blessed" without being created without sin.

Why? I would think it quite the other way, that according to the Bible ALL have sinned... Therefore, the likelihood is that Mary did too.

Knowing God has this power and knowing Mary would be the mother of Jesus, why would Jesus not honor His mother by creating her this way?

This is speculative, and can just as easily be turned about: Why, necessarily, would he do so? In fact, since ALL have sinned, wouldn't it be considerate of the Scriptures to suppose He did not?

Furthermore, the very understanding of Original Sin being a lack of a relationship with God becomes muddled if we are to consider a woman with God in her womb who simultaneously lacks a relationship with God. It does not follow.

And why not? Her relationship with God is defined as such, but that need not assume her to be sinless in any part of it.

783 posted on 05/05/2008 6:42:18 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: SoothingDave
Furthermore, the very understanding of Original Sin being a lack of a relationship with God becomes muddled if we are to consider a woman with God in her womb who simultaneously lacks a relationship with God. It does not follow.

Hi Dave ...

Mary's relationship with God need only have been established at some point prior to her conception.

Furthermore, as Christians, we all house the third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
God can take what is unworthy ... and make it worthy.

859 posted on 05/06/2008 4:45:18 AM PDT by Quester
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