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To: conservativegramma; SoothingDave

An infant who is born and dies one minute later, has this child committed an actual sin?

Please explain Genesis 3:15. Who is “the woman” what is the enmities that protect her seen (Jesus Christ) from Satan (note: the enmities are the SAME) and why is the woman crushing Satan’s head?


1,012 posted on 05/06/2008 12:11:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Am I missing something? I've looked at 10 translations of Genesis 3:15, including the Jerome's Vulgate, and don't understand what you are asking. The verse says there will be enmity (hatred) between the serpent's seed and Eve's seed, and that Eve's seed will bruise the serpent's head and he will bite her seed's heel. I don't understand what part you have the woman playing in this.
1,018 posted on 05/06/2008 12:27:27 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: wagglebee

Seems to me . . . off the top of my noggin . . .

that said woman is much MORE PROBABLY

The Church Universal, the Bride of Christ . . .

against whom, the gates of hell [defensive, interestingly] shall not prevail.


1,020 posted on 05/06/2008 12:30:17 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: wagglebee
Oh, I see what you are saying about the woman bruising the serpent's head. It is the catechism that says that that is the correct translation. So, what you are doing is begging the question. Your conclusion is that Mary is foreshadowed in this passage, and you use that conclusion as the premise for your argument.

Every other translation I have been able to find says that the "seed" of Eve will crush the serpent's head. The Latin says "...her seed, the same will crush your head..." which seems to refer to the seed (Jesus Christ) as the one doing the head-bruising.

So, since your catechism contradicts every other translation out there (of the 12 I have checked so far), perhaps you have to explain Genesis 3:15, rather than your protestant friend to whom you addressed your challenge.

1,023 posted on 05/06/2008 12:41:02 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: wagglebee
An infant who is born and dies one minute later, has this child committed an actual sin?

Born in sin yes, committed no, and you believe this also or you would not practice infant baptism as the RCC does.

1,026 posted on 05/06/2008 12:46:51 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: wagglebee; conservativegramma; SoothingDave
An infant who is born and dies one minute later, has this child committed an actual sin?

It is impossible to know. But it is also a moot point, as the sins of children are not held against them till the age of reckoning (14 years AFAIR).

Please explain Genesis 3:15. Who is “the woman” what is the enmities that protect her seen (Jesus Christ) from Satan (note: the enmities are the SAME) and why is the woman crushing Satan’s head?

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
(e-Sword: KJV)

Gen 3:15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
(e-Sword: ASV)

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring [a] and hers; he will crush [b] your head, and you will strike his heel."
(Bible Gateway: NIV)


1,045 posted on 05/06/2008 1:06:10 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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