Protestants and Sola Scriptura

Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

[papertyger]

If Mary was a saint who died and went to heaven, then Johns descriptions of the saints in heaven would have been a description of Mary.

Mary is a separate category, just like the Elders who are similarly saints and DO make intercession.

[griffin]

didn’t read the post, did you? Your ignorance of the bond between the corrupt papacy and governments is telling. Ever study European history? Sheesh! [beating head on wall]

your grasping at straws. Your confidence in your political ‘church’ dwindeith. I know. I can hear it! ;P

[griffin]

“Foxe was a fraud. When you cite him, you show your hand.”

Oh for Pete’s sake! Is that the best U got bro? How wacked is that?

[Petronski]

I "admitted" no such thing. As I've said four times now, I find nothing in the WCF to disagree with.

Then you do not disagree with its claim that the Pope is the antichrist. Is "not disagreeing" the same as "agreeing?" Do you not want to say?

[Fichori]

"Mary is a separate category, just like the Elders who are similarly saints and DO make intercession."

Where is there a record of a dead saint making intersession?

[griffin]

I think you should pay grave attention to the character of the men you follow. It sure ain’t Christ......yet. ;)

[Petronski]

You know very little about the Holy Roman Empire (which was none of those). You want to believe Foxe’s view of it and I leave you to your choice.

Just don’t try to pretend it is the reality in which the rest of us live.

[Petronski]

I find nothing in the WCF to disagree with.

There is only agree and disagree, right?

Did Cauvin or Machen invent something new for you?

[griffin]

not much more I can say to you. Maybe some day you will come around.

[Fichori]

"Big deal, you were engaging in philosophical argumentation to “explain” the nature of God. My original assertions still stands, despite your caviling."

Another strawman.

There is a difference between philosophical argument and [empirical] science

[papertyger]

Where is there a record of a dead saint making intersession?

...and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. (Rev 5:8)

[Petronski]

Maybe some day you will come around.

And reject the Holy Eucharist?

Never.

[Fichori]

How do you know the saints mentioned are dead?

According to Acts 9:32, not all saints are dead.

If the saints in question are dead.

Then those prayers went from the living saints, to the dead saints, to either God, or the elders who give them to God.

That would be a direct contradiction to John 14:6

[papertyger]

There is a difference between philosophical argument and [empirical] science

You are simply incorrect. Philosophy was the beginning of all sciences. What you call empirical science was originally called natural philosophy. That is where the degree PhD comes from. It means Doctor of Philosophy.

Regardless, when I answered your question with simple science, you tried to claim it was inapplicable. When I answered your question with scripture, you want to jump to philosophical postulates.

Are you familiar with the verse in Luke where our Lord loses patience with those who are like children that will not dance when playing wedding and will not mourn when playing funeral?

[SoothingDave]

Saints aren’t dead. Where would you get such an idea? It kind of misses the entire point of the Resurrection.

[papertyger]

I think you should pay grave attention to the character of the men you follow. It sure ain’t Christ......yet. ;)

I only take such advice from those who demonstrate intellectual integrity by supporting their accusations or withdrawing them.

[Fichori]

"Saints aren’t dead. Where would you get such an idea? It kind of misses the entire point of the Resurrection."

I used the word dead in the same way Jesus used it in John 11:14

[papertyger]

According to Acts 9:32, not all saints are dead.

32 And it came to pass, as Peter passed throughout all quarters, he came down also to the saints which dwelt at Lydda

?????

That would be a direct contradiction to John 14:6

I'm recalling your "direct contradiction" from Exodus, and I have to say I'm reminded of Ronald Reagan's quip about our friends that know so much that isn't so.

[roamer_1]

In Christ, all the saints are higher than the angels. (I thought that was not argued about. Oh my.)

It isn't argued about. Christ, as the Head, is above all things:

1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
(e-Sword: KJV)

As the Head is knit to the body, and as the body is attached to the Head, How can the body be in subjection to any other?

As the body of Christ, we are exalted with (and because of) Christ, who is above all powers and principalities, to include the angels.

Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, [...]

Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

(e-Sword: KJV)

[CautiouslyHopeful]

My point is that you should’t try to force the emotions, and that you shouldn’t use them as a reliable indicator in determining the state of your soul.