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Protestants and Sola Scriptura
Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer

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To: SoothingDave
To find personal sin in the day old infant is ridiculous.

I find nothing, as I have stated. I trust that God's Word is true. It is you that 'finds' innocence in youth, within the confines of your own knowledge, and of your own judgment, making exceptions where none exist, and gainsaying the clear word of Scripture. That is a caution.

You are welcome to prove your point upon the Word, at which time I will happily cede my position. But until I see it in the Holy Texts, I can do nothing other than stand firm.

1,441 posted on 05/07/2008 7:17:27 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: conservativegramma
Okay idiot here....what exactly does ‘baruch HaShem’ mean?

Bless (Praise) the Holy NAME of G-d !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua
( (peace(rest) in the Holy NAME of Yah'shua( Jesus))

1,442 posted on 05/07/2008 7:17:40 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: conservativegramma; Titanites; Mad Dawg; Petronski

Then perhaps in light of First Corinthians 11:26-30 and explain how exactly one can be “unworthy” of a mere “symbol”? How can you be “guilty” of the Body and Blood of the Lord if there is no Real Presence?


1,443 posted on 05/07/2008 7:17:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
For instance, it is entirely possible that the phrase "not allowed" REALLY means "go ahead and do it anyway."

Pssst! Hey! You're not supposed to tell 'em that until after they've signed over their assets.

Darn, the cat's out of the bag! Priests are directed to turn their backs on the objects of our idolatry and wehen we say,"Don't pray TO statues," what we mean is, "Go ahead, and if you have a goat, why not sacrifice it -- couldn't hurt."

1,444 posted on 05/07/2008 7:18:39 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Petronski
Sure looks like the object of worship is Mary.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua

1,445 posted on 05/07/2008 7:21:27 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt
I would have thought that Baruch was a passive participle - the "saying" blesses the Holy Name, but what the "saying "literally means is "Blessed [be] the [Holy] Name."

I'm prepared to be edumicated.

1,446 posted on 05/07/2008 7:21:39 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: wagglebee

After looking at the pictures of the beautiful church, and it is beautiful, something ocurred to me...

If a large group of Catholics became stranded on an island, or were forced into the ‘wilderness’ somehow, how would you be able to worship???

Would your religion fall apart until you were able to build a church and collect all of it’s aids to worship???


1,447 posted on 05/07/2008 7:21:51 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Quix
[Mary was part of the salvation process. How can you deny that?]

So was Judas. So was Herod. So was the Roman soldier with the spear. [...]

A good point.

1,448 posted on 05/07/2008 7:22:00 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Petronski
Ah. You have your Bible. Well, I guess something good came of the reformation then. Thanks Mr. Tyndale. Oops....to late. shishkabobbed by the rrc.

Really though, instead of having something so large that you can only us it at your mountain top monk retreat, don't you think that it would be useful to have something that you can take with you to Bible studies, marriage retreats, study and fellowship with other rcc at places that are not your home, and maybe even a mass....if expositional teaching was part of mass??

1,449 posted on 05/07/2008 7:22:18 AM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin
Thanks Mr. Tyndale.

Thanks Mr. Gutenberg (no, not Steve).

1,450 posted on 05/07/2008 7:23:09 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: papertyger

sorry. don’t take turns with people who can’t face reality.


1,451 posted on 05/07/2008 7:24:05 AM PDT by griffin
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To: Iscool
After looking at the pictures of the beautiful church, and it is beautiful, something ocurred to me...

If a large group of Catholics became stranded on an island, or were forced into the ‘wilderness’ somehow, how would you be able to worship???

Would your religion fall apart until you were able to build a church and collect all of it’s aids to worship???

Of course Catholics would be able to worship.

But what does this have to do with the church pictured in 1380?

1,452 posted on 05/07/2008 7:24:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: griffin
...don't you think that it would be useful to have something that you can take with you to Bible studies, marriage retreats, study and fellowship with other rcc at places that are not your home, and maybe even a mass...

Of course it would. I said I'm shopping around.

....if expositional teaching was part of mass??

It is and always has been.

1,453 posted on 05/07/2008 7:25:20 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: papertyger

“So if you said the same thing only used Black for Catholic and White for Protestant, it wouldn’t be bigotry? Even if “true?””

In this case. I WAS black...Saw it. Observed it. It’s true. And it is indicitive of the product of the rcc. A lot of Protestant churchs are equally as bad, but we’re talking about your rcc here, now.

Was Christ a bigot when He said, “by their fruit you shall know them?” Was the Lord a bigot when He stated that out of the mouth proceeds the contents of the heart?


1,454 posted on 05/07/2008 7:28:19 AM PDT by griffin
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To: Petronski; griffin
g>Thanks Mr. Tyndale.

Thanks Mr. Gutenberg (no, not Steve).

baruch HaShem, that He chose Tyndale and Gutenburg to do His Divine Will !

1,455 posted on 05/07/2008 7:29:06 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

And yet Mary is not the object of worship.


1,456 posted on 05/07/2008 7:30:30 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Petronski

In my 30+ wasted years in the rcc, attending masses, going to catholic school, attending catechism....

I have come in contact with MANY friends, their families, my family, my in-laws family....and in only 2 exceptions have I seen ANY evidence of a people living for Christ.


1,457 posted on 05/07/2008 7:31:53 AM PDT by griffin
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To: XeniaSt

Thank you!


1,458 posted on 05/07/2008 7:32:25 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: papertyger

IF...and I do mean IF, Christ has chosen to regenrate you within the rcc, then I along with the angles praise His work in you.


1,459 posted on 05/07/2008 7:33:23 AM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin
Thanks Mr. Tyndale. Oops....to late. shishkabobbed by the rrc...

If you mean the RCC, you are wrong.

...Anglicans are among the many today who laud Tyndale as the "father of the English Bible." But it was their own founder, King Henry VIII, who in 1531 declared that, "the translation of the Scripture corrupted by William Tyndale should be utterly expelled, rejected, and put away out of the hands of the people."

So troublesome did Tyndale's Bible prove to be that in 1543 — after his break with Rome — Henry VIII again decreed that "all manner of books of the Old and New Testament in English, being of the crafty, false, and untrue translation of Tyndale . . . shall be clearly and utterly abolished, extinguished, and forbidden to be kept or used in this realm."

Ultimately, it was the secular authorities who proved to be the end for Tyndale. He was arrested and tried (and sentenced to die) in the court of the Holy Roman Emperor in 1536. His translation of the Bible was heretical because it contained heretical ideas — not because the act of translation was heretical in and of itself. In fact, the Catholic Church would produce a translation of the Bible into English a few years later (the Douay-Rheims version, whose New Testament was released in 1582 and whose Old Testament was released in 1609).

http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=4749

The only reason to thank Tyndale is to express gratitude for his flawed anti-Catholic mistranslation of Scripture.

1,460 posted on 05/07/2008 7:33:25 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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