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To: MarkBsnr

“Umm, the epistles from James through Jude are called the Catholic letters. Maybe you might actually read your Bible in order to find out what’s there.”

Ummm, you are aware of the history of the gospels and epistles? Perhaps you really should actually read them for yourself.

They weren’t called the “Catholic letters” in the first century. There weren’t any “Catholics” in the first century. Just Christians. No denominations, just groups of believers.


833 posted on 05/08/2008 6:18:27 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: swmobuffalo

***They weren’t called the “Catholic letters” in the first century. There weren’t any “Catholics” in the first century. Just Christians. No denominations, just groups of believers.***

The first allusions to the term Catholic come to us in the late first century written is such a manner that implies a wide usage of the term. For further enlightenment on the term Catholic Letters, we turn to the USCCB.com site:

In addition to the thirteen letters attributed to Paul and the Letter to the Hebrews, the New Testament contains seven other letters. Three of these are attributed to John, two to Peter, and one each to James and Jude, all personages of the apostolic age.

The term “catholic letter” first appears, with reference only to 1 John, in the writings of Apollonius of Ephesus, a second- century apologist, known only from a citation in Eusebius’s Ecclesiastical History. Eusebius himself (A.D. 260-340) used the term to refer to all seven letters.***


977 posted on 05/09/2008 7:15:09 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: swmobuffalo

***There weren’t any “Catholics” in the first century***

“Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrneans, written on the way to his martyrdom at Rome AD 107.

I guess AD 107 is technically in the second century, but it’s close enough to the end of the first century to disprove your point.


982 posted on 05/09/2008 7:28:20 AM PDT by nanetteclaret ("I will sing praise to my God while I have my being." Psalm 104:33b)
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