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To: Petronski
It is a source of continual amazement for Protestants that the RCC does not know the difference between praying for our brothers and sisters in Christ who are alive among us today and being progressively sanctified on earth by His grace, as we are told to do for our own welfare as well as theirs, and the prohibited, occult, pagan practice of praying to and/or for dead people.

The dead are either in heaven with Christ beholding God's glory or in hell condemned by their sins. Either way, our prayers make no difference as to their destination. They are already there.

Likewise, we are not to pray to anyone other than the Trinitarian God of all creation. To do otherwise is paganism.

"Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.

He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:15-20


605 posted on 05/08/2008 11:39:45 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The dead are either in heaven with Christ beholding God's glory or in hell condemned by their sins. Either way, our prayers make no difference as to their destination. They are already there.

And of course God is limited by your concept of time, right?

606 posted on 05/08/2008 11:43:56 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...the prohibited, occult, pagan practice of praying to and/or for dead people.

Again you reject life after death and the Communion of Saints.

607 posted on 05/08/2008 11:45:14 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

There is nothing in Isaiah 44:15-20 violated by Catholic teaching.


608 posted on 05/08/2008 11:46:17 AM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...praying for our brothers and sisters in Christ who are alive among us today...

You contradict yourself, though, for who are you to take the place of Christ, the sole intercessor between us and God?

620 posted on 05/08/2008 12:16:58 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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