Fascinating, you have discovered new things. Start with Matthew and read the Gospels through. It’s a good start.
And you need to read John 3:36.
Nothing new about it.
[ ***You have no idea what the Rosary is. It is a bunch of beads that keep track of how many Hail Mary’s and Our Fathers you say. I believe the ratio is three or is it five hail Mary’s to each Our Fathers? ***]
I really like the way that you keep proving my points for me.
Actually, I have proven mine beause that is what a rosary is, a bunch of beads that religious people use to keep track of their prayers.
[ ***Avoid vain repetitions-that is in the Gospels.(Matt.6:7). *** ]
See? But let’s preface that verse with the beginning of the chapter: 1 “(But) take care not to perform righteous deeds in order that people may see them; otherwise, you will have no recompense from your heavenly Father. 2 When you give alms, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets to win the praise of others. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward. 3 But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right is doing, 4 so that your almsgiving may be secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you. 5 “When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6 But when you pray, go to your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you. Fascinating stuff. Is this in your Bible as well?
Yes, it is and it doesn't change the fact that Christ also said not to use 'vain repetitions as the heathen do', which is what a rosary does, prayer without thought.
9 “This is how you are to pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven. 11 Give us today our daily bread; 12 and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors; 13 and do not subject us to the final test, but deliver us from the evil one. 14 If you forgive others their transgressions, your heavenly Father will forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your transgressions. According to you, praying the Pater Noster is vain babbling? Nice.
It is when you say it as a 'vain repetition', which is what is done with a rosary.
And don't forget the 'hail mary's', praying to Mary as well.
***And you misinterpret Paul once again. Read the Gospels instead.
Above is your statement, not mine.
[ No misinterpetation of Jn.3:36 and Mark 9 and Jn.3:16 so I go on? ***]
What part of John 3:36 do you not understand?
I would encourage you to read the entire Gospels so that misinterpretations are lessened.
And I would encourage you to read the entire New Testament to find out how you must be saved.
You clearly do not know and aren't.
***What about the millions of Greek versions out there? Or are you merely blinded as to Anglocentrism?
Again, above is your statement.
[ What does a Greek version do for someone who doesn’t read Greek. It does the same as a Latin version does-nothing. *** ]
Up until the 1600s, the two dominant languages of the civilized world were Greek and Latin; English was a relatively minor unknown, much like Finnish. This seems to be linguistic bigotry seen through the lens of 21st century USA, not an honest appraisal of the times to which you refer. It’s like accusing the Church of not letting the people learn to read and write in the era of close to 100% illiteracy.
Latin stopped being a common spoken language hundreds of years before the 1600's.
As did Kione Greek.
Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me!
***The question still stands. You claimed that the Church was a branch of the Government. Which one?
Again, your statement, not mine.
[ I Never claimed that they were a ‘branch’ of government, I claimed that they had power with governments. Stop twisting words. Those words about being a ‘branch’ of government are your words not mine. *** ]
You may wish to know that your posts are kept as a matter of record. You cannot ignore them like you apparently ignore history. I will quote: ***The Roman Catholic Church had a control of Books just like it had a control of everything involved with the Government, since it was a branch of the Government. *** 1,319 posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:57:35 AM by fortheDeclaration (”Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”.-John Adams)
Well, I stand corrected, and my initial statement was a true one, the Roman Catholic was a branch of the medieval governments-the religious one.
Role of the Church in Government Often, in the Middle Ages, the churches and governments ruled together. Bishops and Abbots would read and write for kings and often became vassals. Local priests were appointed by local lords, and so were expected to uphold their wishes. Thus, the role of the church and rulers was interconnected. http://mr_sedivy.tripod.com/med_hist3.html
It might help our discussions further if you would let me know if you are simply forgetful or some other condition exists.
You don't intend to keep spaming me with your innane posts do you?
You clearly have nothing factual to say.
It is indeed amazing that you have been wasting my time for this long with your godless pratter.
[ ***Nothing ‘lucky’ about it, just the grace of God, based on the Atoning work of Christ, which you have rejected and will face God’s wrath instead. ***]
I didn’t realize that you had the power of Judgement over me or that you know what the condition of my soul is.
I know you have rejected the grace of God and I can tell the condition of your soul by your posts.
So, my initial point was a correct one, the Roman Catholic Church was directly involved in government, so much so they might be called a 'branch of Government'.
Latent incubation
Between the fifth and tenth centuries, the dialects of spoken Vulgar Latin diverged in various parts of their domain, eventually becoming distinct languages.....
Recognition of the vernaculars
Between the 10th and 13th centuries, some local vernaculars developed a written form and began to supplant Latin in many of its roles. In some countries, such as Portugal, this transition was expedited by force of law; whereas in others, such as Italy, many prominent poets and writers used the vernacular of their own accord.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_languages
***And you need to read John 3:36.
Nothing new about it. ***
John 3:
36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.
I find that you post regularly stating that you do not do this or that that Christ commanded us to do. You do not believe in following the Beatitudes, for instance and claim that they don’t apply to you. I suggest that you meditate upon this verse and upon the entire Gospel.
***[ ***You have no idea what the Rosary is.
It is a bunch of beads that keep track of how many Hail Mary’s and Our Fathers you say. I believe the ratio is three or is it five hail Mary’s to each Our Fathers? ***]
I really like the way that you keep proving my points for me.
Actually, I have proven mine beause that is what a rosary is, a bunch of beads that religious people use to keep track of their prayers. ***
All that you have proven is that you dislike the Rosary without finding out anything about it. You claim that it promotes vain babbling even though the Apostle’s Creed begins it and the Pater Noster is contained throughout it.
And let us see what Paul says about praying:
1 Thess 5:
17
Pray without ceasing.
The Rosary is a holy aid to praying without ceasing; or would you say that Paul babbles? Is Paul babbliciously good to the children of the Reformers?
***I would encourage you to read the entire Gospels so that misinterpretations are lessened.
And I would encourage you to read the entire New Testament to find out how you must be saved.***
Ah, another Paulician who believes that the words of Jesus are trumped by misunderstandings of Paul.
***What part of John 3:36 do you not understand? ***
We not only understand your cherry picked verse taken out of context, we also understand the entire Gospels in context.
***Latin stopped being a common spoken language hundreds of years before the 1600’s.
As did Kione Greek.
Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me! ***
You must be product of the American public school system. Latin was not replaced as the universal language in the West until French in the 1600s and 1700s. I suppose that you believe that Jesus used the KJV to teach Scripture.
***Well, I stand corrected, and my initial statement was a true one, the Roman Catholic was a branch of the medieval governments-the religious one. ***
How can you call yourself corrected when you persist in your error? That’s like a cannibal calling himself corrected when informed about the wrongness of cannibalism just before he has roast haunch of neighbour.
***Role of the Church in Government Often, in the Middle Ages, the churches and governments ruled together. Bishops and Abbots would read and write for kings and often became vassals. Local priests were appointed by local lords, and so were expected to uphold their wishes. Thus, the role of the church and rulers was interconnected. http://mr_sedivy.tripod.com/med_hist3.html***
Ah, the vaunted and learned Mr. Sedivy, Church expert. I was interested in this little tidbit since it was written in words of one paragraph or less. What about Mr. Sedivy?
Mr. Sedivy’s Highlands Ranch High School History Site offers over 400 web pages of historical information that you won’t find in most high school textbooks.
Why won’t you find them? Mostly because they’re wrong. Interesting site, though. He is a perfect example of why third and fourth world nations are producing children who are clobbering American kids in scholastic achievement.
***It might help our discussions further if you would let me know if you are simply forgetful or some other condition exists.
You don’t intend to keep spaming me with your innane posts do you?
You clearly have nothing factual to say. ***
Not only do I speak with facts, I usually am able to spell and utilize amazingly advanced techniques such as grammar. It is you that have produced a plentitude of statements seriously at variance to reality.
***I know you have rejected the grace of God and I can tell the condition of your soul by your posts.***
Matt 7:
1
“Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2
For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.
3
Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?
4
How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye?
5
You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.
No person can Judge another’s soul. I can judge whether or not you act in concert with the Church or with Scripture, but I cannot Judge your soul. Only God can. Unless you are the Lord God Almighty, your claim that you can can only come from the brightest angel.