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To: MarkBsnr
[***None produced a complete Bible in English.***]

Yours is incomplete now. And it seems that it is missing more than the ordinary Protestant Bible is missing. It appears to be missing the Gospels.

No, it has the Gospels and if you reject what Christ said to do believe on Him, His payment for your sins and resurrection, you will spend eternity in hell. (Jn.3:36)[ ***Oh stop your goofy word games. Ofcourse you pray to Mary!]

Yes, the rosary assists in prayer to Mary! And the Lord’s supper was never meant to be anymore than a simple remembrance (1Cor.11).*** ]

You have no idea what the Rosary is.

It is a bunch of beads that keep track of how many Hail Mary's and Our Fathers you say.

I believe the ratio is three or is it five hail Mary's to each Our Fathers?

Avoid vain repetitions-that is in the Gospels.(Matt.6:7).

And you misinterpret Paul once again. Read the Gospels instead.

No misinterpetation of Jn.3:36 and Mark 9 and Jn.3:16 so I go on?

[ ***The Church has never advocated giving Bibles to the common people and it was only with the rise of the Reformation Bibles that they felt compelled to make their own English translation.***]

What about the millions of Greek versions out there? Or are you merely blinded as to Anglocentrism?

What does a Greek version do for someone who doesn't read Greek.

It does the same as a Latin version does-nothing.

[ ***Silly is as silly does. The Church was a branch of which Government? A one world government, or just selected countries? And Rome didn’t have a strong political influence in Western Europe before the Reformation? Stop blowing smoke.***]

The question still stands. You claimed that the Church was a branch of the Government. Which one?

I Never claimed that they were a 'branch' of government, I claimed that they had power with governments.

Stop twisting words.

Those words about being a 'branch' of government are your words not mine.

[ ***I am going to the Judgment seat of Christ for believers and you are going to the Great White Throne Judgment for unbelievers, since you are clearly depending on your works for salvation.*** ]

Lucky you. Sounds like you’re actually going to the Judgement Seat of Pauline misinterpreters, since there is nothing of Christ in your beliefs.

Nothing 'lucky' about it, just the grace of God, based on the Atoning work of Christ, which you have rejected and will face God's wrath instead. (Jn.3:36)

1,356 posted on 05/29/2008 4:59:27 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: fortheDeclaration

***No, it has the Gospels and if you reject what Christ said to do believe on Him, His payment for your sins and resurrection, you will spend eternity in hell. (Jn.3:36)***

Fascinating, you have discovered new things. Start with Matthew and read the Gospels through. It’s a good start.

***You have no idea what the Rosary is.

It is a bunch of beads that keep track of how many Hail Mary’s and Our Fathers you say.

I believe the ratio is three or is it five hail Mary’s to each Our Fathers? ***

I really like the way that you keep proving my points for me.

***Avoid vain repetitions-that is in the Gospels.(Matt.6:7). ***

See? But let’s preface that verse with the beginning of the chapter:

1
“(But) take care not to perform righteous deeds in order that people may see them; otherwise, you will have no recompense from your heavenly Father.
2
When you give alms, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets to win the praise of others. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3
But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right is doing,
4
so that your almsgiving may be secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you.
5
“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6
But when you pray, go to your inner room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will repay you.

Fascinating stuff. Is this in your Bible as well?

9
“This is how you are to pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
10
your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven.
11
Give us today our daily bread;
12
and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors;
13
and do not subject us to the final test, but deliver us from the evil one.
14
If you forgive others their transgressions, your heavenly Father will forgive you.
15
But if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your transgressions.

According to you, praying the Pater Noster is vain babbling? Nice.

***And you misinterpret Paul once again. Read the Gospels instead.

No misinterpetation of Jn.3:36 and Mark 9 and Jn.3:16 so I go on? ***

I would encourage you to read the entire Gospels so that misinterpretations are lessened.

***What about the millions of Greek versions out there? Or are you merely blinded as to Anglocentrism?

What does a Greek version do for someone who doesn’t read Greek.

It does the same as a Latin version does-nothing. ***

Up until the 1600s, the two dominant languages of the civilized world were Greek and Latin; English was a relatively minor unknown, much like Finnish. This seems to be linguistic bigotry seen through the lens of 21st century USA, not an honest appraisal of the times to which you refer. It’s like accusing the Church of not letting the people learn to read and write in the era of close to 100% illiteracy.

***The question still stands. You claimed that the Church was a branch of the Government. Which one?

I Never claimed that they were a ‘branch’ of government, I claimed that they had power with governments.

Stop twisting words.

Those words about being a ‘branch’ of government are your words not mine. ***

You may wish to know that your posts are kept as a matter of record. You cannot ignore them like you apparently ignore history. I will quote:

***The Roman Catholic Church had a control of Books just like it had a control of everything involved with the Government, since it was a branch of the Government. ***

1,319 posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:57:35 AM by fortheDeclaration (”Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”.-John Adams)

It might help our discussions further if you would let me know if you are simply forgetful or some other condition exists.

***Nothing ‘lucky’ about it, just the grace of God, based on the Atoning work of Christ, which you have rejected and will face God’s wrath instead. ***

I didn’t realize that you had the power of Judgement over me or that you know what the condition of my soul is.


1,358 posted on 05/29/2008 6:23:02 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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