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To: MarkBsnr
[***Try reading the Bible and finding Jesus! The Bible teaches against welfare and for capital punishement as stated clearly in both those verses I gave you.***]

ftD; I give you loving and merciful Jesus and you give me outraged and storming Paul. That sums up the differences between us.

I haven't given you an outraged and storming Paul, I gave you the scriptures that tell you what you have to do to be saved.

There is nothing about salvation in Matthew 5-7 for anyone today and if you think so, you will find out too late what happens when you reject the mercy of God.

You have lost Jesus and His message. If I were you I’d start with Matthew and read everything in order, then Mark, Luke and John. Put away everything else until you have and you will see have deformed your beliefs are. Jesus is the answer, the way, the truth and the life. Not a misinterpretation of Paul

Oh, this John?

3: 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Pr.14: 12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

1,354 posted on 05/29/2008 3:45:57 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Keep posting! You are correct. All of the prophets in the Bible, including the Prophet like unto Moses (the Lord Jesus Christ), and his Divinely decorated forerunner John the Baptist, were outraged, outrageous, and storming! Outraged and storming was how Jesus Christ cleansed the Temple and how he dealt with the Pharisees (Matthew ch. 23) and the other religious leaders of the Nation of Israel in need of repentance in His day.
1,355 posted on 05/29/2008 4:04:54 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: fortheDeclaration

***I haven’t given you an outraged and storming Paul, I gave you the scriptures that tell you what you have to do to be saved. ***

Your Pauline quotes are almost entirely from his admonitions to his straying churches. Outraged and storming.

What I have to do to be saved? Pardon me, I thought that you were of the Reformed crowd in which one needs do nothing, and indeed can do nothing to influence one’s final reward. I apologize and would ask that you elaborate further on your particular beliefs in that area.

***There is nothing about salvation in Matthew 5-7 for anyone today and if you think so, you will find out too late what happens when you reject the mercy of God. ***

I see. So the first 80% of the Gospels are useless? Fascinating. Why would the Church even include them in the Bible? I am gratified to see that you do understand that God’s grace is a gift that one may reject; your soul is apparently not as imperiled as some of your brethren.

***Oh, this John?

3: 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. ***

Yup, that John. Did you have to search for a more complete Bible very long? You may wish to read the Gospels in the order that the Church put them in, though. It may enlighten you.


1,357 posted on 05/29/2008 5:30:40 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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