The Church has always proclaimed the Gospel of Jesus Christ and rejected all heresies. Hardly ignorance and darkness. The Mass readings are from the entire Bible - normally the OT, the Epistles, and the Gospels at every Mass. I get more Scripture at Mass than I have ever seen at a Pentecostal or Baptist service.
We were talking about Bibles.
The people are suppose to check to see if what they are being told is correct (Acts 17:11).
[ ***First, there was always a great demand for them as seen by the popularity of the Wyclif translation. Second, it was the printing press (the first book ever printed was a Bible) that forced the Roman Catholics to adjust its tactics since they couldn’t control the output anymore.*** ]
How many Wyclif translations were ever hand written? Hint: not many.
Actually many copies were made and the Lollards carried them and became a large threat to the Religous structure.
Hence, the typical Roman Catholic recourse to persecution when they control the State apparatus.
Gutenberg printed his Bibles with full and complete backing of the Church. I know that real history is hard to accept when it contradicts one’s bigotry.
Did I say that Gutenberg didn't print with offical approval?
First, why should anyone have to print with anyone's approval-a fact that doesn't seem to bother you and your fellow Roman Catholics, all who claim to love American freedoms, freedoms that came from the Protestant Bible, not any Roman Catholic one.
Second, the only bigotry that is made clear is your obvious inability to read what is actually written and to twist it to make it fit your own preconceived views of truth.
Remove the thin veneer of American values from you and most of the other Roman Catholics on these threads, and none of you would have any problem obeying Roman Catholics decrees attacking those same freedoms and using any means to do so.
Reading minds of other posters is a form of "making it personal."
***We were talking about Bibles.
The people are suppose to check to see if what they are being told is correct (Acts 17:11).***
No, you stated that the Church wanted control to keep the people in ignorance and darkness. The Church proclaims the Gospel of Jesus Christ in greater quantity and more frequently (a minimum of once per calendar day) than any Protestant church that I have ever observed.
Acts 17:11 - These Jews were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all willingness and examined the scriptures daily to determine whether these things were so - refers to their reception of Paul and Silas and whether or not their preaching checked with the Old Testament. Remember that the NT was not yet written - presumably some early Pauline letters only - and therefore your conclusion is obviously wrong.
***Actually many copies were made***
How many? Estimated population of Italy, the British Isles,
France, Iberia, Germany and Scandinavia was 55 million in 1300. A few hundred were made. How did that help the 54.9 million illiterates?
***Did I say that Gutenberg didn’t print with offical approval?
First, why should anyone have to print with anyone’s approval-a fact that doesn’t seem to bother you and your fellow Roman Catholics, all who claim to love American freedoms, freedoms that came from the Protestant Bible, not any Roman Catholic one.***
You are the one claiming hat the Church wanted to keep everyone in ignorance and didn’t want people reading Bibles. Why would the Church push Gutenberg to publish Bibles if they didn’t want people to read them?
Why are you going on about freedoms? We want accuracy when it comes to the Word of God, not the freedom to publish any old crap that it occurs to one to publish. We have several editions such as the New Inclusive Translation which is the logical outcome of ‘freedom’.
***Second, the only bigotry that is made clear is your obvious inability to read what is actually written and to twist it to make it fit your own preconceived views of truth.***
2000 years of watching people try to put a new spin on the Good News of Jesus Christ all the time gives one a good perspective on things.
*** Remove the thin veneer of American values from you and most of the other Roman Catholics on these threads, and none of you would have any problem obeying Roman Catholics decrees attacking those same freedoms and using any means to do so.***
In other words, you claim that freedom entails the right to print lies and call them truth; to twist meanings and call them real and to make up theology as you go along.