You mean I'm just dead
and that's it?
Posted on 05/02/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
Php 1:3 I give thanks to my God in every remembrance of you: Php 1:4 Always in all my prayers making supplication for you all with joy:
What's this? Interceding for others?
Wow. That’s amazing.
You don’t believe in life after death. Kick off on earth and that’s it.
Did you learn that from the Orthodox Presbyterian Church? It would seem to contradict Christ.
Not at all. Just a rejection of your flawed notion of justification.
The dead are either in heaven with Christ beholding God's glory or in hell condemned by their sins. Either way, our prayers make no difference as to their destination. They are already there.
Likewise, we are not to pray to anyone other than the Trinitarian God of all creation. To do otherwise is paganism.
He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire: And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god. They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:15-20"Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.
And of course God is limited by your concept of time, right?
Again you reject life after death and the Communion of Saints.
There is nothing in Isaiah 44:15-20 violated by Catholic teaching.
Neither I nor Machen are atheists. We both believed God's word that those who are saved by grace through faith in Christ will be glorified at the moment of their death and will sit with Him in heaven forever.
Warmed-over paganism is not pretty. Discard the lies of purgatory for the truth of the Bible. Purgatory does not exists. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross.
"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" -- Hebrews 1:3
Again, the RCC teaches error and contradicts the word of God.
With the Communion of Saints, who are not therefore dead.
That's why I avoid it. Ice cold paganism too. Boiling, lukewarm, vaporized. I eschew paganism at any temperature.
We are not to "commune" with anyone in heaven other than Jesus Christ "the only mediator between God and men."
Necromany is a foul pursuit.
Bzzzzt. The defect is in sola fide and the error of Luther.
If you and Cauvin and Luther and Machen are right then Christ is wrong:
And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. Mt 12:32
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins. 2Ma 12:46 But you wouldn't understand that. It's a Scriptural thing.
Neither does sola scriptura.
...it is a verse from the Apostles Creed...
Yes.
...and it clearly refers to those on earth who are among God's family.
Bzzzt. Have a piping hot bowl of fail.
Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. James 5:14
While you guys teach that someone who dies in an obvious state of unrepentant serious sin was "never really saved in the first place".
Serious sin? Yes, we all know the RCC teaches a sliding grade of sin, whereas the Bible teaches that "whatsoever is not of faith is sin." (Romans 14:23)
Do you imagine at our death we will know every sin we have ever committed and we will know for a fact we have repented for that sin?
Not hardly.
But thankfully, our repentance is not the cause of our salvation, but like all good things, evidence of our salvation.
At our death, the only thing that will save us is Christ's work on the cross, graciously imputed to us by God for His glory.
The RCC teaches that a man is free from sin after confession, but as he walks out the confessional booth and into the light, he sins again and thus is in need of absolution by the priest.
An endless, frightening revolving door of salvation/condemnation/salvation/condemnation...
No wonder so many RCs are fleeing the vagaries of the RCC for the certainty of Christ's atonement on the cross.
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
Do you imagine that has relevance to Catholicism?
At our death, the only thing that will save us is Christ's work on the cross, graciously imputed to us by God for His glory.
Traditions of Men.
The RCC teaches that a man is free from sin after confession, but as he walks out the confessional booth and into the light, he sins again and thus is in need of absolution by the priest.
Another truth of Catholicism. Do you think we should obey tyrannical German monks and Sin boldly!?!
You bear false witness against Catholics with stunning facility, and every indication of enjoying it thoroughly.
Yeah, they're just banging on the doors of your 70-year-old splinter group.
You contradict yourself, though, for who are you to take the place of Christ, the sole intercessor between us and God?
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