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To: pby; Saundra Duffy
Do you think she will answer? I want her to respond to where the Book of Mormon is imperfect (because it states that it is imperfect).

The Book of Mormon never claim to be perfect only the Most correct book!

Ether 12
22 And it is by faith that my fathers have obtained the promise that these things should come unto their brethren through the Gentiles; therefore the Lord hath commanded me, yea, even Jesus Christ.

23 And I said unto him: Lord, the Gentiles will mock at these things, because of our weakness in writing; for Lord thou hast made us mighty in word by faith, but thou hast not made us mighty in writing; for thou hast made all this people that they could speak much, because of the Holy Ghost which thou hast given them;

24 And thou hast made us that we could write but little, because of the awkwardness of our hands. Behold, thou hast not made us mighty in writing like unto the brother of Jared, for thou madest him that the things which he wrote were mighty even as thou art, unto the overpowering of man to read them.

25 Thou hast also made our words powerful and great, even that we cannot write them; wherefore, when we write we behold our weakness, and stumble because of the placing of our words; and I fear lest the Gentiles shall mock at our words.

26 And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn; and my grace is sufficient for the meek, that they shall take no advantage of your weakness;

27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.

28 Behold, I will show unto the Gentiles their weakness, and I will show unto them that faith, hope and charity bringeth unto me—the fountain of all righteousness.

29 And I, Moroni, having heard these words, was comforted, and said: O Lord, thy righteous will be done, for I know that thou workest unto the children of men according to their faith;

308 posted on 04/30/2008 9:32:38 AM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
The Book of Mormon never claim to be perfect only the Most correct book!

LOL! Its so correct it undergoes constant changes. Its so correct its now been proven that 'reformed egyptian' is actually gaelic. Its so correct that it was plagiarized. I can go on and on here.............

313 posted on 04/30/2008 9:45:38 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: restornu
The Book of Mormon never claim to be perfect only the Most correct book!

Really...even if it was translated like Joseph Smith said that it was?

I went to Provo to a quarterly Stake Conference. Heard Joseph F. Smith describe the manner of translating the Book of Mormon by Joseph Smith the Prophet and Seer, which was as follows as near as I can recollect the substance of his description. Joseph did not render the writing on the gold plates into the English language in his own style of language as many people believe. But every word and every letter was given him by the gift and power of God. So it is the work of God and not of Joseph Smith, and it was done in this way ... The Lord caused each word spelled as it is in the book to appear on the stones in short sentences or words, and when Joseph had uttered the sentence or word before him and the scribe had written it properly, that sentence would disappear and another appear. And if there was a word wrongly written or even a letter incorrect the writing on the stone would remain there. Journal of Oliver B. Huntington, p. 168 of typed copy at the Utah State Historical Society

Wouldn't that kind of translating give you a perfect book? What happened?

345 posted on 04/30/2008 11:55:05 AM PDT by pby
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To: restornu
The Book of Mormon never claim to be perfect only the Most correct book!

If your history is an indicator, you won't respond...So, here, I will help (helping is Telestial in nature, correct?):

I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts than any other book. (History of the Church, 4:461) (But, given it's lack of geographical correctness...we know that this is not accurate)

It is to be expected that when the angel restores the gospel it will be restored in fullness and in the most perfect simplicity and plainness so that every point of the doctrine of Christ shall be clearly revealed and expressed in such language that no two persons could understand it differently...nothing else can be an infallible standard of the Christian religion; nothing else can reclaim them from divisions and strifes; nothing else will give certainty and stability so necessary to the happiness and salvation of man; and nothing else could be expected in the revelation of the gospel by an angel. Such a revelation is the Book of Mormon; the most infallible certainty characterizes every ordinance and every doctrinal point revealed in that book. In it there is no ambiguity­­; no room for controversy; ­­no doctrine so imperfectly expressed that two persons would draw two different conclusions there from... (Orson Pratt's Works, Vol 2, "Important Works in Mormon History", Grandin Book Co, 1990, p. 83; This can also be found in Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, Apostle Orson Pratt, 1851, No. 6, page 83)

Doesn't being infallible mean that it also has to be perfect? And...I just love the part about two persons not drawing different conclusions!

Prophet Ezra T. Benson, quotes Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie as follows:

Men can get nearer to the Lord, can have more of the spirit of conversion and conformity in their hearts...can gain a better understanding of the doctrines of salvation through the Book of Mormon than they can through the Bible...there will be more people saved in the kingdom of God - ten thousand times over - because of the Book of Mormon than there will be because of the Bible. (The Ensign, November 1984, p. 7)

349 posted on 04/30/2008 12:27:47 PM PDT by pby
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To: restornu

I think that it’s fascinating that the LDS refer to the rest of the world as Gentiles. Something else that they tried to usurp.

Gentile means non Jew. Does that mean that all the LDS thinks that they are the replacement Jews?


379 posted on 04/30/2008 2:45:41 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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